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2014 Chevrolet Volt Price Cut By $5,000, To $34,995

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The 2014 Chevrolet Volt electric car will carry a base price of $34,995, a cut of $5,000 from the 2013 model.

That price includes an $810 destination fee, but not any optional equipment.

Chevrolet has "made great strides in reducing costs as we gain experience with electric vehicles and their components,” said Don Johnson, Chevy's vice president for U.S. sales and service.

“The 2014 Volt will offer the same impressive list of features, but for $5,000 less" than its predecessor. And the lower price "broaden[s] its exposure to price-sensitive prospective buyers," Chevy notes.

Lower price aside, the 2014 Chevy Volt is largely unchanged from the outgoing 2013 model, which gained a marginally larger lithium-ion battery pack and a few trim updates and color changes.

The latest model retains its EPA ratings of 38 miles of electric range, and 37 mpg combined in range-extending mode with its gasoline engine operating.

Thus far, the sole changes announced for the 2014 model year are a leather-wrapped steering wheel and two new paint colors: Ashen Gray Metallic and Brownstowne Metallic.

The Volt continues to qualify for a Federal income-tax credit of $7,500 and various state, local, and corporate incentives, including a $1,500 $2,500 purchase rebate from the state of California.

Volts sold in California and New York qualify for the coveted sticker that permits travel in those states' High-Occupancy Vehicle or carpool lanes with only a single occupant.

With more than 43,000 sold since December 2011, the Chevrolet Volt range-extended electric car is the best-selling plug-in car in the country.

But with price cuts on the high-volume Nissan Leaf and a handful of compliance cars sold in California, the Volt was simply out of line with its competitors--and its relative lack of sales growth this year underscored the disadvantage.

The Volt continues to earn the best customer-satisfaction ratings of any car GM sells, and lure "conquest buyers" to the Chevrolet brand.

Volt owners run almost two-thirds of their miles on grid power--225 million miles out of 364 million total, to date--and average 900 miles between monthly fill-ups.

The 2014 Chevy Volt can now be ordered, for delivery to dealers' showrooms late this summer.

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Comments (108)
  1. will the 7K federal tax credit still apply?
     
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  2. It should still apply until they've (the manufacture) sold 200,000 qualifying vehicles
     
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  3. Yes, the $7500 federal tax credit applies, so the base sticker price is $27.5K after the tax credit.

    Note that GM is already offering a $5K rebate on 2013 model Volts, and dealers are offering significant discounts on top of this.
     
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  4. @Dave G: No, the base sticker price is NOT $27.5K.

    Unless you lease the car for a monthly fee, the buyer must finance the *full* amount--not the amount after tax credit. The price of the car is not magically reduced by a tax credit that not everyone qualifies for and that may take up to 15 months to be realized.

    Chevy is to be commended for citing the full MSRP rather than the bogus "net" price they have used in some of their marketing. See here for more explanation:
    http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1076417_electric-car-prices-tesla-nissan-chevy-should-be-ashamed--heres-why
     
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  5. Come-on John. He specifically said.
    "base sticker price is $27.5K after the tax credit."
    He was clear.
    Save your old saw for times when that is not made clear.
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  6. @John C. Briggs: Sorry, we're going to have to agree to disagree here. There's no such thing as a "base sticker price...after the tax credit."

    Sticker price is sticker price is sticker price.

    It's different from transaction price. And it's different from the "effective price" 1 to 15 months after you've filed your taxes--but the actual price on the sticker is an absolute.

    It is what it is. It doesn't get modified. And it's hugely important to public perception of a vehicle.

    That'd be like saying, "Gas mileage on the sticker minus the miles you run on grid power is 280 mpg"--and I know how much you dislike that formulation. :)
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  7. I HAVE to lease the Leaf, otherwise I do not get the 7500 off. I only pay a few hundred a year in federal income tax, I only make 9 dollars an hour and I am a college student. But the Leaf will pay for itself in gas savings, and it is a car i love and want, so I decided to go ahead and get it. I'll have a few months of the lease when I get out of college, and I plan to keep the car.
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  9. And to follow up on what John says, the fed tax "credit" is simply another upper income tax benefit that eliminates middle class buyers from EV vehicles.

    In practice, the fed tax credit requires at least an annual income of $75,000, and if you have substantial deductions like a house and a business, you must make a great deal more than $75,000. The tax credit is a joke on the middle class.
     
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  10. Pay off your debts, manage your cash-flow and it's a whole lot less of a joke.
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  11. If you lease, that price comes off the top.
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  12. Wow, I must be doing it wrong. I paid more than $7,500 in federal taxes in my first real year of employment. Maybe I should take on more debt!
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  14. @John C Briggs: First, what part of "No, the base sticker price is NOT $27.5K" isn't clear about defining "base sticker"? I'm honestly confused there.

    The transaction price a car is sold at differs from the sticker price, or MSRP. Both of those "prices" are different from the "effective" price up to 15 months later after a Federal tax benefit is claimed (my point to Dave G).

    And yes, for buyers, transaction price matters most. But for EVs, a larger pool of *potential* or future buyers doesn't see those numbers.

    They ONLY see the MSRPs of electric cars, because that's what dealers can legally advertise. In the eyes of shoppers, a $5K reduction is VERY important to perception of EV cost.
     
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  15. Yes, the car qualifies, but what about you? Not necessarily. The 2013 IRS Form 8936 (Qualified Plug-in Electric Drive Motor Vehicle Credit) states that your tax credit will be the lower figure of either $7,500 or whatever your 2013 tax is - i.e. line 46 of a 1040 tax form.

    According to the 2013 tax table, if you are “Single” or “Married Filing Separately,” your tax would be just under $7,500 if your taxable income was $45,900. If you’re “Married Filing Jointly,” your federal tax would be under $7,500 unless you earned over $50,000.

    Taxable income is defined as what is left over after all allowances (i.e. spouse, children) and deductions.

    Check with your accountant or tax preparer to get a projection of your taxable income to plan ahead.
     
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  16. I do my own taxes in Turbotax, and to see if I qualify, I loaded up last year's taxes and "said" I bought an EV, and it said I qualified. Woo Hoo
     
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  17. Your use of taxable income of $46,000 supposes no deductions and no other credits. As I mentioned above, a normal taxpayer would have to earn in excess of $75,000. I'm not allowed the room here to show the calculations because they are ridiculously complex, but your $46,000 income requirement to qualify for a full credit is way too low.
     
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  18. I guess I beg to differ. My wife and I bought a 2013 Volt last year and qualified for the full $7500 tax credit with taxable income of 59,500. We file jointly. I consider myself a normal taxpayer.
     
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  19. $45k?

    Buying a $27k car?

    Ok. Now, we know why we are having debt problem.

    Lease the Volt then...
     
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  20. Wow, nice price reduction! Now just stop reducing torque at low speeds and replace the 1.4L with a 3 cylinder or Atkinson cycle range extender and it'll be perfect.
    http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php?61737-Is-it-possible-to-spin-the-tires-from-a-stop-on-dry-pavement-with-SC-TC-off
     
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  21. and a heatpump cabin and battery heater rather than resistive so there will be less range reduction on cold days
     
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  22. The thing about electric motors is that they have such a ridiculous amount of torque when stopped that it can be dangerous/destructive if not properly controlled. In my 2013 Leaf, with TC on it's not hard to spin the tires a bit from a standstill if you floor it, and it's not a terribly nice sensation. That is even with a certain amount of torque limiting, since you can feel it give the motor more power when you get to 1 or 2 mph.

    I think how the automakers calibrate the throttle at low speeds will evolve as they get more experience with electric motors and driving habits, but I don't think there's a lot to complain about right now.
     
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  23. The Volt is a little more aggressive in sport mode, which is fun, but I could still use a tiny bit more at the low end.
     
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  24. I think ELR gets the firmware and gear ratio upgrade to have a faster speed off the line...
     
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  25. The same low-speed torque reduction applies to the Focus Electric. Why they do this, I'm not sure. Trying to save the charge?
     
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  26. Well, for many things.

    1. Saves battery.
    2. Saves Power electronic controller. Peak Current is huge at zero rpm and max torque.
    3. Saves electric motor at low speed.
     
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  28. The plug-in price wars are officially in progress.

    Good news for consumers. Hopefully the manufacturers can keep up.
     
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  29. I wonder if GM can afford to offer this car at this price but it probably doesn't have a lot of choice considering the slightly bizarre market environment the Volt operates in. It's got to feel the pressure of the compliance cars that are even "profitable" at a loss because of the savings of not having to pay a third party for ZEV credits or not having to pay fines.
     
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  30. $24K in parts and labor to produce, sold at $40K and now $35K. Is their overhead so bad they can't make money? We know the development was $1.2B, but that's a cost recovered over a certain number of vehicles. Let's assume it's recovered over the 200K units that qualify for the tax credit. $1.2B/200K is $6K per, or added to the $24K, $30K total and the car is sold now for $35K. Again, is their overhead so bad they can't make money? If so, that's their problem, not the car or it's cost. They also anticipate even lower costs to produce next year. The people who invented flat screens lost money too, by the false logic applied opponents of the tech. Not that I am claiming any conspiracy by vested interests like oil companies.
     
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  31. I'm sure $35K will more than cover GM's variable cost for Volt production. About R&D...note that at ~23K units per year Volt sales aren't going to amount to 200K units any time soon, certainly not before the next generation will arrive that no doubt will be severely re-engineered to meet the $7-10K cost reduction goal. On the plus side there is the contribution of foreign and ELR sales.
     
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  32. It all depends on your investment horizon.

    Waiting 10 years to make money on models is probably NOT acceptable in the auto industry. I would expect most ICE models to make money within the first 3-5 years including the initial R&D investment.

    GM is on track to sell about 100,000 Volt (and other Volt based cars) in the first 5 years. At $1.2Billion investment. That is $12,000 per car. If the cost is $24k per car as some sites have suggested, then selling it @ $35k will barely allow it to break even after 5 years. @ $40k, that break even time will come much quicker.

    So, Volt is NOT expected to make money in the first generation for GM. No different from Prius.
     
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  33. And even that 1.2 billion, the infrastructure is still good. It will be used to make batteries for other cars, or could even make batteries for other uses as price comes down (such as peak energy demand reducing batteries). The Volt doesn't necessarily have to pay for this 1.2 billion, because as the Spark and the cadillac version come out, they owe a bit to that 1.2 billion.
     
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  34. Guess I could've saved 5k by waiting a few months...
     
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  35. Well don't discount the hundreds (or even thousands) of $$ you may have saved over the last few months...
     
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  36. 2013s are already being priced $5k lower.
     
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  37. Don't feel too badly, Mittar, you still presumably got a better deal than I did back in early 2012. I agree, of course, but at least you got a great car earlier.
     
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  38. I know. I paid 2012 Inovice price for my Volt. That is still couple thousands more than the 2013 MSRP with $5k off.

    Also, the 2013 model has a larger battery and a better EVSE.
     
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  39. This is great! I wonder if I have to be a California resident to get the extra $2,500. Has there been any battery degradation problems in the Desert Southwest? Like the Nissan leaf has been plagued with?
     
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  40. It is only $1,500 in CA and no battery degradation has been noted in the Volt.

    When the Volt is plugged in or on, it will regulate the battery temperature to a nice 77 deg. So, even if outside is 120 degree, a Volt plugged in and its battery will still stay at 77deg. But you will get a slower charging speed. However, Volt's battery can experience higher temperature if it is parked in the heat for an extended period.

    So, in the Leaf case, it seems the temperature is at its worst during high temperature and high speed driving/charging.
     
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  41. note to xi :

    volt having problems cuz PRICE is too high.

    and this car has no range problems.
     
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  42. Like I said and GCR has covered this already that 2013 Volt are already having $5k discount.

    Not to mention that last time I looked, the market is already competing for lower price. And Volt is still one of the top seller in the plugin market. Since launch to date, Volt is the #1 seller in the US. That is when Nissan is having sometimes $3k-$5k more incentives per certain state with FAR LOWER MSRP. And yet, Leaf only outsold the Volt by less than 100 units...
     
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  43. The Volt, Leaf and Prius do not compare. Apples, Oranges and Bananas. There's nothing like a VOLT.
     
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  44. Does that also apply to the Prius since it is having problem meeting last year's sale goal so it is offering heavy disount and 0% 60month discount?
     
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  45. i wasnt bashing the volt.

    my point was that price has everything to do with ev sales.

    lack of range has nothing to do with it.

    if an ice and the same car in ev form were identically priced, ice sales would almost stop.
     
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  46. I don't think we need to beat this horse again. Like I said before, they are NOT linear relationship. EVs need some "minimum" range. Anything less than that won't work even if the price is the same as ICE. The more it has the better.

    With today's battery technology, the EV range is correlated to the price. This is the ONLY segament of the auto market where you have to pay to get more range.

    With the Volt price drop and incentives, it is basically the same price as a similar optioned Cruze ECO or Cruze Diesel in some states. But it won't stop Cruze sales in that state.
     
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  47. the range today is ample enough to just about obliterate ice sales.

    that is what i have been trying to get across to you, since day 1.

    range is not an issue with today's evs.
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  48. the range today is ample enough to just about obliterate ice sales.

    "that is what i have been trying to get across to you, since day 1.

    range is not an issue with today's evs."
    I would not buy any EV with less than 120 mile range. I live in a big state and have family and property more than 50 miles from my home so a wimpy 75 mile range Nissan Leaf will never be in my garage. The Great Chevy Volt is not range compromised and still gets up to 37mpg when driving on the range extender and that's better than being dead on the highway with no charge left in the battery. Only Tesla makes Ev's with enough driving range and Supercharging to allow their car to be used like a gasoline car. Everything else is an electric city commuter car at best
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  49. mark,

    you would be the exception, today.

    the overwhelming percentage of people can get by with today's range.

    so you would be a later adopter.

    and by the time that we had the roads filled with evs, we would also have battery improvements.

    but you would adopt more quickly than you think you would.

    gas stations would become much less plentiful, as more evs hit the roads.

    evs have every other advantage, besides range.

    i will repeat - ice sales would slow to a trickle if the same ev cost the same.

    by that i mean an ice camry versus a bev camry, etc.
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  51. Another example, Leasing rate.

    The leasing rate for a Leaf is actually cheaper than a comparable Versa after CA state incentives. Last time I looked, Versa is still being leased in CA and there are still plenty of Leaf on the CA Nissan dealer lots...
     
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  52. Also, the Volt sales weren't a problem last year with the same price until all the other BEV options have dropped their respective price and leasing price significantly.
     
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  54. please read - "if they cost the same".

    my argument is absolutely correct.

    if they cost the same, ice sales would almost stop.

    the reasons that they dont cost the same have nothing to do with my argument.

    until you admit that you are wrong, i will continue to beat into your head - price is the only deterrent with today's evs.
     
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  55. "the reasons that they dont cost the same have nothing to do with my argument. until you admit that you are wrong, i will continue to beat into your head - price is the only deterrent with today's evs. "

    So, you choose to stay stubbornly ignorant on the fact that price is the only thing matters? But you fail to understand that today's range requires certain price?

    I guess I don't have any more reason to waste my time with you. You are just getting stupid by the second when you fail to understand the price relates to range. You can't have one without the other.

    Please stop quoting yourself as "system analyst". That kind of reasoning is probably the WORST analyzing I have ever seen.

    I am sure I won't hire you as an analyst.
     
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  56. @EV You left out the #20 in line at the Supercharger. Take a number? Sure is nice to charge FREE while I sleep. Thanks TXU
     
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  57. There is no economic reasons why EV's shouldn't eventually become FAR cheaper than ICE automobiles. How many parts do you have to manufacture and install into an EV versus a similar ICE car? It's like comparing old fashioned CRTVs versus flat screen HDTVs. Once the manufacturing is scaled up, the cost of manufacturing an EV will be a fraction that of an ICE machine. The main cost factor is the battery pack, that will come down too in time.
     
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  58. Plus an MSRP price cut also means significantly reduced sales and excise taxes and any other point of sale fees that are based on MSRP regardless of any discounts. Then there's all the "hidden" benefits like improved reduced income/debt qualifications for financing (and reduced financing costs) collision insurance costs for owners, lower lease money rates and residuals, even reduced inventory financing costs for Volt dealers! (promoting more Volts on the lot!)
    This price reduction are SIGNIFICANT.
    What's really ridiculous is the same people that were chiding GM for discounting the Volt via dealer incentives are now stating "the price didn't change!" lol
     
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  59. Lol, paid GM shill.
     
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  60. "The Volt continues to qualify for a Federal income-tax credit of $7,500 and various state, local, and corporate incentives, including a $2,500 purchase rebate from the state of California."

    CA only provides $1,500 for Volt...
     
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  61. @Xiaolong: Ouch. Good point, my mistake. I've corrected in the story. Sorry about that.
     
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  62. Thanks. But I do wish it is $2,500 in CA. :) It would really help the sales.
     
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  63. i guess california agrees with me. ouch, not sure if i like that too much !!

    all kidding aside, this is what i was talking about, in that cars should be given a rating based upon the percentage of electricity used.

    i dont have a problem with the volt or any other hybrid qualifying for some percentage of what is given a real ev.
     
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  64. although it would be much better to get rid of tax rebates altogether.

    and simply force the automakers, like they are doing in california.

    as i would like to get rid of the irs altogether, i am not fond of making the tax code any larger than it already is.

    and i do not think that special groups of people should benefit more than others from purchasing an ev.
     
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  65. Make it a cash back like the CA state incentive would be much easier and independent of IRS.
     
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  66. what i dont like about cash back, is that it basically just allows the car company to jack its price up, cuz the consumer is gonna pay so much.

    forcing quotas on the car companies places evs on the road, no ifs ands or buts.

    cash backs, while better than tax rebates, do not do this.

    the most important thing to promote ev sales is to get them in the hands of the public.

    the more cars, the better the chance of a non-ev owner to see it in action.

    and talk to an owner who is not a car salesman.
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  67. "forcing quotas on the car companies places evs on the road"

    So, you will be forcing "compliances cars". And you are forcing the automakers to "lose" money on each one they sell in order to meet those quota.

    Two things willl happen:

    1. Automakers will end up leaving the market or taking a heavy loss which will end up with no future product.

    2. You are forcing them to produce "expensive" cars like Model S which can easily absorb the cost of expensive battery...

    Why doesn't the government just mandate all government vehicles to be a plugin cars first and see how that turns out?
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  68. The federal tax incentives is based on battery size.

    The state incentives are usually based on whatever the state feels like. It is neither battery based or "electric %" based.

    In CA, the smallest PHEV in terms EV miles PIP and Accord Plugin will get the same amount as Volt which has far larger battery.
     
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  69. 2014 Volt will NOT have the electronically control charged door. So, I guess they will remove the button from the door AND the button on the key fob.

    It will become a manually operated door.

    The old door is known to "pop out" on its own. (Ghost door) But it is mainly due to the pin NOT fully engaged when the charge door is closely so the driver mistakely thinking the door is closed when it is actually "jammed" close without the locking pin engaged.

    I think the simpler design is a good idea.
     
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  70. I agree. I prefer the manual door on my old PIP to the electric door on my Volt.
     
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  71. But it is cool when you can "show off" by remotely open that charge door. :)

    Actually, there is no reason why it can't be similar to the gas door where it will require a cable link from inside the car to "unlock" it. I still think a "locking" feature is a good thing. I actually like the fact that no stranger can just play with my charge port without my permission. But it doesn't need to be a "fancy" electronically controlled-"motorized" door.
     
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  72. when i got my used a car about 4 years ago, my pet peeve with cars was that it was hard to find any "new" car that did not give one access to the trunk from inside the car.

    i do not prefer all these goodies. i prefer to keep it simple and safe.

    i want a trunk like the old cars - the only way to get in it was thru the trunk itself.
     
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  73. That explains it all... you have "weird" reasoning...
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  74. Have you ever thought that if someone managed to break open your car, then your trunk isn't really that much farther to open?

    Sure, windows are easy to break, but your trunk is realy a drill bit away or a good pry bar away from opening, right?
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  75. weird reasoning to want a trunk that cant be opened from the inside ?

    that is the whole purpose for a trunk, to begin with - a place to store stuff that you dont want in the cabin.

    a trunk is generally designed to be harder to break into.
     
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  76. There are people who are like you just don't want a battery electric car.

    So, there you go, there are many types of buyers, some of them just don't want your type of BEV with today's 70 miles range...
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  77. @Xiaolong: Source for that statement, please? When I asked GM, they did not mention any changes to the charge door for the 2014 model year. Please let me know.
     
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  78. http://www.plugincars.com/2014-volt-drops-price-5000-34995-127919.html

    The 6th paragraph. Reported by Nikki.
     
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  79. Not bad and I heard the Volt can get up to 37mpg at it's worst even when burning gasoline so between its 40 mile electric range and versatility of having the ICE for extended driving I will be looking at one. Also with the Tax credit you can get this car for a really good price of about $28,000 after the tax credit comes back and it's not a driving range compromised car like the Nissan Leaf is.
     
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  80. If you live in CA or CO, you can get it even cheaper than that.
     
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  81. @jv - there have been comments about the weight of the batteries in an ev, that make it heavier.

    do you concur with the statement that a bev outweighs an ice of the same model car ?

    keep in mind that while the bev has a battery pack, an electric motor, and some other electrical equipment that an ice does not have.

    but also keep in mind that the ice has a gas engine, gas tank, radiator, transmission, and tons of smog equipment that the bev does not have.
     
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  82. @EV Enthusiast: The conversions of gasoline cars--Chevy Spark, Fiat 500, Ford Focus, Toyota RAV4--into electric cars all weigh more than the original version with an ICE. If a car is designed from scratch to be an electric car, comparisons get trickier.
     
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  83. Battery pack usually more than offset the weight saving in engine.

    CVT today is very light comparing to a 1 speed gearbox. Almost a wash.

    Gas tank isn't really heavy. Radiators exist on BEV as well for battery and motor cooling. Not to mention the A/C need...


    Even the design from Ground UP Telsa Model S is heavier than a BMW M5.
     
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  84. @jv and xi,

    okay, i am not a car expert, so i was asking a genuine question.

    with the same exact body, the bev still weighs at least somewhat more than its corresponding ice, if it has enough batteries to go the 75-100 mile range that the current bev does.

    it is my understanding that the battery pack is placed low and wide at the bottom of the car ?

    would we not gain a lot of room, either in the cabin or the trunk area, with the same exact body ?

    it seems to me that even if the bev components weigh more, they certainly require much less room ?

    if so, i think that would be a considerable sales advantage for many people.
     
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  85. Not really. In specially designed case, it is true. Model S and i3 does that way. Nissan still takes the front engine bay for motors and electric drive system and battery take the floor pan space which actually increase the floor height.

    What is the biggest selling point for EVs should be it superior driving dynamic, lower service cost and Total Cost of ownership instead of upfront sales price...
     
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  86. Again, you don't get the fact that battery NOT only weigh a lot, it also takes up a lot of space...
     
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  87. The front "engine bay" is actually a crash safety structure to provide front crush space that protects the occupants if the car runs into something. That's why the Tesla Model S has a conventional "hood" up front even though there's nothing under it except a front trunk.
     
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  88. "tons of smog equipment that the bev does not have"

    hahhaah. Smog equipments are consist of catlytic converter, some fuel canister or oxygen sensor... They don't weight much...

    I guess you have never really worked on cars, have you.

    Even an engine block don't weigh that much anymore.

    What is really nice about BEVs are the fact that you have more freedom of putting the heavy battery in a different location like BMW i3 and Tesla S. You can lower your center of gravity significantly by doing so which will create a much better driving experience.
     
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  89. @EV Enthusiast,

    "please read - "if they cost the same" my argument is absolutely correct. if they cost the same, ice sales would almost stop."

    Please read this, there is NO if. "IF" doesn't happen with today's technology and battery cost. So, you can forget your "if". "if" only happens when you are forcing all automakers to lose money just to fill "quota". That kind of "if" is a waste of time for everyone.

    Talking with stupid "if" is like saying if I give away free iPhones to everyone, it will easily outsell All android phones. Pointless, NOT gonna to happen.
     
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  90. so you finally admit that you lost the argument.

    and now trying to backpedal by saying that the "if" cant happen.

    and then of course when the "if" does happen, as it ultimately will, what excuse will you dream up for that ?

    i made a simple correct analysis about price being the ONLY REASON that evs arent selling like hotcakes.

    which is so obviously true that even you cant continue to deny it.

    it certainly took long enough.
     
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  91. BS. I have always argued that there is NO price drop without trade off in battery range. ONLY you are living in the dream world thinking that you will get a free price drop without giving up anything today without improvement in battery.

    I think it is YOU that are backpedaling by changing to "ultimately will" and "selling like hot cakes". Just yesterday, you were saying "if EV price is the same as ICE, the sales of ICE will almost stop".

    That is the MOST lunatic statement ever.

    I know at least few commenters in this section who will NOT buy a EV with today's range that cost the same as their ICE car for various reason. That includes you, Annatar, John Briggs...

    You, b/c of "special reasons".
    Annatar would love a stick shift.
     
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  92. once again, you can not stay on topic.

    even you realize that you have lost the argument.

    so the only thing that you can come up with is to say that my "if" cant happen.

    not lunatic at all. few people are gonna buy old technology at the same price.

    all they are getting is increased range. there are dozens of advantages to evs.

    only someone with extreme range-a-phobia would choose to get a new ice.
     
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  93. and there are lots of range-a-phobia people out there. Certainly some people like Annatar won't buy it for other reasons such as lack of manual transmission or people like you who need a "secure" trunk or b/c you can't afford it anymore since that "highly paid System Analyst" thing never worked out...
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  94. Once again, you have evaded my reasoning and facts by keep repeating yourself.

    Explain to me why ICE (hybrids) are still dominating sales to EVs when they are priced lower.
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  95. "i made a simple correct analysis about price being the ONLY REASON that evs arent selling like hotcakes."

    So, selling like hotcakes are the same as ICE almost stop?

    Time after time, I have proved that your talk are just extremist view which has NO value whatsover.

    Let me repeat my point, If the price is the same, it will help the sale, but it WILL NOT take over all ICE sales like you said. After all, any price drop in anything helps, but it will NOT dominate the sales. In fact, with 70-80 miles range, I am willing to bet that it won't even beat hybrids in sales.

    Secondly, the "if" part doesn't happen since you have no clue on the technical details of battery or cars.

    Thirdly, so far everything you say is based on your "conspiracy".
     
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  96. Here is another example.

    Prius is an "ICE" since it only has 1 energy input. Gasoline. Prius plugin is different.

    Prius cost about the same as Leaf in CA after all incentives, and do you want to explain to me why Leaf sales in CA aren't even close to Prius? Of course, you are probably going to claim that Prius is a "hybrid" and Price shouldn't include "incentives"...

    Whatever, you are just making excuses...
     
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  97. BTW, it was you who made the same "price" statment last year and you almost disappeared from the comment section for a good few months.

    Now you are back "beating the same died horse" again...

    Please come up with some new idea and help the EV community instead of living in your "lunatic" ideal world...
     
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  98. price is the only deterrent to ev sales. if same price, few people would buy a new ice.
     
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  99. next question ?
     
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  100. Based on what analysis?

    Now, it is "few" people?

    Is Prius an ICE or hybrid?

    What about diesel cars?
     
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  101. none of these questions have anything to do with the discussion. refer to above, regarding price and ev sales.

    next question ?
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  102. If Prius is an ICE vehicle in your "classification", then there is an clear example that your statement doesn't apply in that case.

    Nissan Leaf is already cheaper than Prius with incentives in CA, its sales is NOWHERE close to Prius...

    You only need to disapprove theory with 1 counter example. Logic 101.
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  103. "Price" "Price", "price"...

    You are starting to sound like a 5-yr old arguing... instead of repeating your opinion based on your lunatic theory, show some facts...
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  105. I have had my 2013 Volt 11 months and love it. With the Electrical systems and battery warranted for 8 years, is there a reason to pay money for an extended warranty? If so, at what point should I get it? FYI: I rarely drive more than 40 miles a day.
     
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