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Tesla Model S Owners Crowdsource Trip To Counter NY Times Report

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2013 Tesla Model S before DC-to-Boston road trip, Feb 2013 [photo: Aaron Schildkraut]

2013 Tesla Model S before DC-to-Boston road trip, Feb 2013 [photo: Aaron Schildkraut]

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It's been a week of Tesla Model S hullabaloo, centered around last Sunday's critical New York Times road test, Stalled Out on Tesla's Electric Highway.

Now a set of defiant Tesla Model S owners are setting out to prove Times reporter John Broder wrong.

They will replicate his trip from Maryland to Connecticut, fully recharging their electric luxury sport sedans to show that the cars are quite capable of making the trip he couldn't.

Three cars will set off at about 11 am tomorrow from the Tesla Service Center in Rockville, Maryland.

Two hours later, they'll arrive at the Delaware SuperCharger site and connect with three additional Model S drivers, setting off fully charged by 3 pm or so.

They'll stop again at the Milford, Connecticut, SuperCharger and recharge their cars to full.

Three drivers will even stay at a hotel in Groton, Connecticut, just as Broder did--returning the next morning to the MIlford SuperCharger to recharge once again.

After that, all the drivers will head home.

"We are trying to replicate the trip as closely as possible," said driver Aaron Schildkraut, "but showing that with proper full charges (and even not plugging in overnight at the hotel) that the trip can be made."

The owners have asked Tesla Motors [NSDQ:TSLA] for access to their cars' data logs afterward, to provide the same level of detail that Tesla offered in Musk's rebuttal post, A Most Peculiar Test Drive.

A Twitter account, TeslaRoadTrip, has already been set up so that team members can post regular updates during the weekend. Perhaps Tesla's tweet-happy CEO, Elon Musk, will RT some of their updates.

The plans stemmed from various discussions on the Tesla Motors Club forum. The plan to crowdsource drives that will ostensibly disprove Broder's reporting grew over just a few days.

We'll bring you more details on Monday about how the trip played out.

Meanwhile, for more details on the spat, read our full account of the discrepancies between the Times and Tesla accounts as of yesterday morning.

What do you think? Will the Model S owners make it?

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Comments (84)
  1. They'll make it, I doubt any of them will sabotage their own cars.
     
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  2. ...or sabotage their own integrity
     
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  3. CNN has completed the trip in a Model S and was successful.
    http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/15/autos/tesla-model-s-lessons/
     
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  4. Since they'll properly charge their cars I expect they'll make it.
     
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  5. what they can plug them to each others cars or whatever
     
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  6. Should make it an annual event and call it the Broder Trip. Also should make plaques on the Milford station that read something like "At this place on a cold January night and following morning in 2013 John Broder refused to follow instructions and fully charge his Tesla Model S. Ever since faithful Tesla followers gather at this spot to cheer and warm up the shunned supercharger."
     
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  7. Of course they will make, where there's a will there's a way.
     
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  8. On mynissanleaf.com someone suggested that "brodering" an EV now means to purposely let it run out of charge.
     
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  9. Love it!
     
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  10. Chas Lane in the Washington Post wrote a vicious opinion piece trashing EV's based on Broder.
    Perhaps "laneing" could be defined as trashing EV's based on someone brodering with a single datapoint
     
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  11. Both the Washinton Post and the N.Y. Times are garbage publications, in my opinion.
     
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  12. @Leonard: What publications do you consider worthwhile?
     
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  13. What ? you read playboy ? or gone with the wind ?
     
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  14. Any journalist worth reading is forced to report the variables he discovers when he investigate the subject he is writing about. Any response incapable of providing valid premise for his words says nothing, and writes to read his own words ignoring the other valid premise he condemns, without valid consideration.
     
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  15. I am pretty confident they will make it, unless of course they don't want to make it, in which case they won't. If John Broder is telling the truth about what the people at Tesla said, they wouldn't be qualified to cross the street alone. After all the bad advice he said he received, and with his observation that the car couldn't travel as far as it was indicating, when they told him to set out on a 60 mile trip with 30 miles of charge, off he went - what could possibly go wrong?
     
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  16. This will damage the NY times more then it will damage Tesla .With Newsweek,Time and Wall Street Journal other important magazine going away or changing owners so NY Times should be scared .That's why this attack on not only Tesla but Elon Musk who represents the future is such a desperate attempt for attention.The test was faked and why is the Times not supportive of an American manufacturing rather trying to destroy it.Maybe there is something deeper going on here?
     
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  17. Yeah - oil companies!
     
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  18. I would not take a bet on them not making it :-)
     
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  19. Take, or make? I'd take a bet from any idiot fool enough to offer one (that they wouldn't make it).
     
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  20. It's a shame how the NY Times has become an obvious tabloid of bias and misinformation. They haven't a shred of journalistic integrity left. Once they were the benchmark for excellence in written news. Now, they have denigrated to the mouthpiece of bitter political partisans and deceitful activists.
     
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  21. I love my fellow EV drivers! They are sharp and not to be messed with.
     
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  22. I willing to believe the truth is somewhere in between, but who in their right mind would be at a gas station filling up and leave with 30 mile range and 60 miles to go. Even if Tesla employees said that, who in their right mind is going to go ok, lets do it.

    Gas, electric, CNG, Propane, whatever ... the results would end up the same. Cars need fuel to run and when they run out of it they stop.
     
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  23. Apparently some fool at Tesla thought the low reading was bogus, and warming would recover the lost range -- and gave really stupid advice.
     
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  24. Given that Broder basically said all the advice they had given up to then had been incorrect, I'm not sure why he trusted that rep assuming he really suggested that.

    And technically, even with a remote connection to the car, there is no way the rep could have predicted there was 60 miles of rated range in the car. The car itself was reporting SOC consistent with 30 miles of range according to the logs.

    And even assuming there was voltage sag from a cold battery, 30 minutes of "conditioning" unplugged, 11 miles of driving, and 1 hour of charging certainly would have warmed up the battery already at the point he left.
     
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  25. Let's apply Occam's Razor.
    1)A small-volume luxury car built with the latest equipment and technology that was specifically chosen to be test-driven by a journalist from one of the best-known news organisations in the world was a lemon.
    2)A journalist with a well-demonstrated negative bias towards electric vehicles failed to complete a trip that should have been well within the car's capability despite advice from manufacturer's tech support and availability of charging points and in apparent contradiction to the car's data logs.

    Which is more plausible?
     
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  26. I'm ruling the car out as at fault. It sounds to me the issue is 100% human error. The reporter says it's Teslas fault and Tesla says it's the reporters fault.

    I suspect the reporter may have gotten bad info from the CSR or misunderstood. I can also see the CSR didn't have all the info provided to make a correct decision. For whatever reason there seems to have been communication issues. I suspect take some from column A and some from column B and you'll probably end up with the truth.
     
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  27. In 5 years and 70,000 miles driving the Gem E4, Mini-E, ActiveE and Honda Fit EV, I have yet to "Broder" an EV.
    When your name becomes a verb, your either in the hall of fame or the hall of shame.
    "Broder" is in the hall of shame.
     
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  28. Sure, Peder, but perhaps you're not trying hard enough... Oh, yhat's right, unlike Mr. Broder, you presumably have an honesty requirement that Mr. Broder, alas, seems not to possess. Thank goodness for honest people like you and that the next journalists will be much more honest, if for no other reason than because everyone is now aware of the data logs that Tesla can access.
     
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  29. They can't possibly replicate the trip qccurately unless they plan on Brodering in the Milford parking lot for an hour.
     
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  30. Tesla's main problem isn't selling 20,000 cars this year, but it's getting recognized by mainstream America. A dustup with the NY Times, CNN's follow-up and then hundreds of articles don't hurt the brand or sales of the car. Especially where the facts about the car are overwhelmingly positive and not vaporware.
     
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  31. Greecarreports wrote:
    >Meanwhile, for more details on the spat, read our ...<

    This is not a little spat. No, many of the anti-EV media outlets have weighed in supporting the NYC writer or are using this as yet another reason to not drive a plugin.

    People, there is a lot of Big-Money that is Oil and Auto vested that has been, and will continue to fight plugin vehicles (EVs, and plugin hybrids).

    The plugin community has to continue to do what these drivers are doing to debunk them. It will be a continuous effort, but it will pay off (it is worth the fight).

    Sadly, this is the same thing drivers had to do to continue the good-fight against Big-Money back in the 1990's ... Deja-vu


    {brucedp.150m.com}
     
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  32. Its simply actually, we are at point A) and have to go to Point B), if we are able to purchase a car than can do the job then the question of economic justification comes into the equation, its a matter of cost of car and energy, divided by the number of miles driven, and how much the car is worth when you get another. Even if our commander and chief is willing to give away billions of american taxpayer money as an incentive to buy ev's and they do not pass the test of economic justification, the situation we currently experience will happen, and soon ev's will fall prey to the scrap heap, as hydrogen fuel cells take their rightful place in automotive energy.
     
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  33. Only truth will stand the test of time, all the lies will fall as time changes all things and reality is the predisposing influence, battering about with meaningless words with questionable context only means words are cheap and you can say whatever you want.
     
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  34. Our infrastructure is what is is because it did the job for the least money, and will continue to follow the best path. no matter how much you want something to happen without the proper manner of scale and economic justification its not happening. I admit some gang of criminality may force something on us, but with time it will always fail.
     
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  35. glad to see you guys are covering this, I think it's a great story, and it's real data.
     
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  36. These ev-customers are obviously very enthusiastic early adopters. I hope that there are others in great numbers who use ev's as very convenient short-distance commuter cars. Which is probably what 90% of driving is about.
     
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  37. if you have a gasoline engine as a backup in case of something going wrong, like traffic
     
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  38. Nope, generally the worse the traffic, the further electric cars go, because they are driving slowly and electric cars are more efficient at low speeds!
     
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  39. cars stop and in traffic with the radio, air conditioning is the worse traffic, and you say the tsla is more efficient the worse the traffic
     
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  40. Absolutely! Apparently, you have NO idea how an EV/plugin works. Maybe you "bash" them further, you should at least try them out yourself.

    The slower the average speed, the better the BEV will perform. In fact, the most efficient speed for ANY vehicle is between 25-45 mph. Radio and A/C impact the range very minimal. The largest impact on any battery ranges are high speed, electrical heat and temperature.
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  41. I like life in the safe lane, creeping along the shoulder with your flashers on waiting for some drunk to rear end the light weight, short shopping trip car, powered by coal fired power plants I have spent a few years reviewing toxicity emission reactors is not my idea of a life. I would compare them to a KIA 2500 pounds, cost around 12,000 new, I divide the additional 30,000 + 40,000 more for a tesla battery, by 3.00 a gallon and get more than 800,000 miles of highway miles in the fast lane miles if I want, the impossible dream in a kia which will be on the chopping block long before 200,000 miles, a ridiculous discussion going on here about nothing, but a few P R Stuntmen trying to enable musk in his big swindle. logic of economy, safety
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  42. I'm in Scotland, UK, and have had a Leaf since last week, the average morning temp on my commute to work has been -3C and return home +1C, still managing my 65 mile return commute no problem.
    EV's are definately the way to go unless of course you're a travelling sales person who drives 2/300 miles each day.
     
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  43. I think they should really as close as possible match the trip, that means
    leaving from the Tesla showroom in DC, not Rockville, try and maintain a decent speed, 65 MPH, and try for a cold day just like when the reporter did.

    Doing the max range charging should be the only allowed difference
     
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  44. @11:20 am 8 Tesla's left the Rockville, Md service center, headed north. it's about 15 miles N of DC showroom. right now it is 42 degrees F
     
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  45. Trying to maintain 65 mph would be incorrect, because the reviewer said he kept his speed down to 55 mph to save the battery. He lied, because his average speed was well over 55 mph. He drove fast to run the batter down, and lied about it.
     
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  46. Had Tesla provided the route with batt-swap stations then every battery would be charged to capacity, switch time reduced to five minutes, sleeping overnight un-necessary and the whole range anxiety controversy gone. The batt-swap system works and its only hard-headedness not to use a working solution
     
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  47. Keep dreaming. The battery swap business model is already almost dead and has left major markets already before even being established. How many CEOs has Better Place had just in the last six months.

    People like me have been driving EVs/PHEVs for a while now without any need for battery switching. Going forward, with more charging stations and better range, the need for battery switching will decrease even further.

    Perhaps there are markets somewhere for battery switching, but they are not in N. America.
     
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  48. Using the proper U.S. naming convention for scandals, this should be called "Broder-gate"
     
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  49. As a Tesla Roadster driver for one & half years. I routinely drive from my home in Mississippi to New Orleans (255 miles one way) and Memphis, TN (180 miles one way). There are no superchargers in MS and very few Level 2 chargers. I have never had a serious problem finding a charging station. Every Nissan dealership selling Leaf EV's makes their Level 2 stations available to anyone free of charge. Are there no Nissan Leaf dealerships along this route?

    There are numerous smart phone apps available which the writer could have downloaded for free that provide driving directions to available stations (ChargePoint, Blink, EV Charger Locator, etc.)
     
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  50. It must be so otherwise you would not have said it. everything fits so well, oh yeah we are really gonna believe what must be an absolutely truthful post.
     
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  51. Jackie, if you are waiting for technology to improve before you buy one, there's no shame in that. If you just don't want one, no shame there either. Even if you hate EV's and never buy one, you should consider the very positive effect that others buying one has on your lifestyle.

    Supply and demand drives up the price of gas, that's simple economics. Therefore, the more EV's, natural gas vehicles and those driven off of hydrogen increase, the less gasoline will go up, and at some point may come down in price. Pollution is reduced from a small amount to a dramatic amount depending on the generation mix. In both cases these benefit you, too. To trash EV's when you obviously do not own or desire one is unreasonable and childish.
     
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  52. trashing ev's supplied by lithium batteries, and endorsing ev's fueled by hydrogen fuel cells is not the same as trashing ev's marketed under false claims by businesses still in business because of political contributions, which is the precise case of tsla motors, if you dare call it that---Hydrogen fuel cells under real engineering design and manufacturing science has been under steady development for a few decades in germany, most automotive companies are going in this direction with many going online in 2014 like GMC's silverado pickup, and a host of real automotive companies in the business of designing, selling, and delivering cars and trucks, What it means to the likes of elon is the end of a financial scam. I look forward to real EV'
     
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  53. However there will always be petrochemical powered automotive applications and many other elements of petrochemicals fill our infrastructure---If we used liquified coal derived gasoline, it would be cheaper than gasoline from oil when oil reaches 34 dollars a gallon 2011 values, having refineries at coal mine mouths would produce gas for about 1.14 a gallon---The political lobbie element in tandem with the epa, prevent it from happening, politically, its an unsound idea, as is political science ( the fine art of swindling )
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  54. Help us all out here, please, Jackie... Since you have no problem calling 0others liare again and again here, who should the rest of us believe here?

    You, someone who seems to have zero understanding of how EVs operate, actual costs, how clean the energy sources are, etc... Or, an actual Tesla driver who knows far more about EVs than you do.

    Not really a tough choice at all. But I'll help you out again, since you clearly need help... Now that CNN has easily done the same drive as Mr. Broder and made it, where's your admitting that Mr. Broder was wrong and dishonest.

    When these Tesla owners do the same trip, again easily, what's your excuse going to be then?
     
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  55. your words are meaningless without valid premise to back them up, words are cheap, bricks or lithium laptop battery stacks not so cheap, you can creep along the road all you want in a coal powered tesla doomed for bankruptcy in short order, regardless if obama continues to fund the lost cause or not. I doubt if you own a tesla
     
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  56. I drive a Volt, but please, come back here when you can put together a whole sentence without 4-5 spelling, grammatical and syntax errors, not to mention the almost stunning lack of even the most basic knowledge about EVs.

    I wrote that the writer owns a Tesla, not me. If even something that basic is beyong you, you're not worth the time.

    My energy grid isn't high in coal at all, but again, don't let the facts confuse you since you get confused very easily.
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  57. Most of you know that I love Tesla S and I would buy one if I can afford it. You also know that I drive a Volt b/c I don't believe the BEVs are ready for most people with today's battery technology and infrastructure.

    Here is another blog on what can go wrong (little things such as ill-prepared adopters) that would ruin a long trip.

    http://andwediditourway.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/the-not-so-ev-life.html

    Extreme cold ruins range and we don't have enough infrastructure to make it happen yet. That is why EREV makes more sense now and it is the bridge to the future. Or at least stay in Sunny locations such as California.
     
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  58. I drive the last series cadillac deville, or DTS with a northstar engine, a can cruise at whatever speed I want for sometimes 12 hour drives, at night covering more than 1000 miles no problemo, to places inaccessible untimely even with flights and rental cars, I see a real problem in the fledgling ev industry coming into being because of taxpayer incentives by a so-called president who spend untold billions on wind, solar which provide our grid around 2 % of power, and on EV's, which as a second car if you have a gasoline engine as a backup may cause you to thing your doing your green part, when your actually getting you energy from coal fired power plants, you are all deceived by a demon, or people possessed by the demon of ignorance .
     
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  59. Jackie Cox, a troll with little real world knowledge of EV's but willing to trash EV's conveniently forgetting the 10's and hundreds of billions of yearly dollars of fossil fuel incentives, h8's the president, is terrified of renewable energy, drives on gallons of dinosaurs instead of "gallons of sunlight" and does not even understand the basic fact it is easier to clean ONE electric plant than try to tune 1,000,000 gas cars AND that the dirtiest energy an EV will use is the first day since the electric grid gets cleaner daily with renewables
     
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  60. @Jackie: Two things.

    First, you are aware that 78% of U.S. cars travel 40 miles a day or less--and 95% travel 100 miles a day or less. Right?

    Second, you have now left a total of 50 comments on two Tesla articles in three days. That is coming close to comment spam.

    We welcome comments that advance the discussion--PREFERABLY WITH LINKS to support the argument. But 50 comments that repeat the same unsupported opinions, without supporting data, is not helpful.

    Please dial it down.
     
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  61. @Jackie Cox,

    Some of your arguements are valid. But many of your assumptions are totally wrong.

    1. DTS is a good car and the latest series does NOT use Northstar engine. Even with that engine, the Tesla S power train is more than 3x more efficient than that DTS powertrain. In that 1000 miles cruising, you have burned 3x more energy than the Tesla would. That is efficiency that you won't get it back any way. Any person with half brain would know that efficiency is important in any technology.

    2. 1,000,000 EVs driving 40 miles per day would ONLY add less than 0.38% to our grid. 2% would be able to fund up to 6 million EVs per day. That is over 6 million gallon of gasoline per day saved. 75% of people drive less than 40 mi/day.
     
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  62. there is no latest series of a DTS the last one was in 2012. I do not argue ev's have their place in the automotive market, however laptop battery powered tslas are doomed to failure for too many reasons to list, as I have read about from tesla buyers and their horrible experiences. I do however support and endorse hydrogen fuel cells (hydrides) under real engineering development by qualified manufacturing design engineers foe a few decades in germany, now ready for the automotive market poising no threat from coal or petroleum, most automotive companies hydrogen fuel cell ev's will hit market in 2014, and be compatible with the gasoline engine, being able to go shopping and also making longer trips when required.
     
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  63. @Jackie: You're now approaching 100 comments bashing Tesla within four days, most of them quite repetitive. I'll send you a private note reminding you of our Terms of Use.

    Meanwhile, you haven't provided a single link to back up any of your assertions. So here's a challenge:

    Please post FIVE separate links to online sources where Tesla buyers describe their "horrible experiences".

    That way, the rest of this community can assess what you're basing your rather shrill and highly repetitive claims on. I look forward to seeing your links.
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  64. I may have used up a lot of gas,but the trip takes less than 12 hours instead of a few days when driving a tesla, under ideal conditions, having to pay for overnight lodging, eating on the road etc etc. You consider the variables selected to create a none existent argument. Moat american can barely afford one used car, EV's are beyond the budget of minimum wage hirelings, 85 % of workforce
     
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  65. Yeah, that $269/month Volt lease is killing people, along with that expensive LEAF one for what, $199/month or thereabouts...
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  67. I believe Tesla will learn the painful but in the end positive lesson that GM did with the Volt - that there is really no such thing as bad press when you have an awesome but somewhat obscure product you want to take more mainstream.
     
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  68. The reply icon is missing, on your comment about me not reading a source of data you did may well be true as their are thousands posted daily. I have been involved in discovery of coal fired power plant reactors trying to eliminate toxicity, which has been fruitful as the integrated industry has developed a new series of boilers, and emission scrubbers which vastly improve new plants compared to the more than 1000 already operating, in tandem with nuclear supplying our grid with near 85 % of electricity. The only reason for my intervention is the phony P R Stunt masters trying to lure unwary investors and buyers into a phony green game. google german hydrogen fuel cells (hydrides) the future of automotive energy
     
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  69. you have a lot of h8 there little missy. the era of fossil fuel is ending no matter what. the ROI is dropping. where will we drill after the arctic? we have maxed out daily production. EV's and renewables are the future
     
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  70. Wells dried up for 40 years are producing again, giving rise to the question of how petrochemicals are produced, a lot of old pumpers now believe there is some unknown catalyst, be it microbe or enzyme at work, deeper than our current instrumentation is capable of proper study. the oil has to come from somewhere, it just doesn't suddenly appear from nowhere after 40 years. Is it a renewable resource ?
     
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  71. You can follow the trip live here: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/entry.php/56-TMC-Members-Recreate-NYTimes-quot-Failed-quot-Roadtrip
     
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  72. Of course they will, they won't 'Broder' their own cars. Why would any thinking person not 'fill up' while on a long trip?
     
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  73. I visited the GM dealer today and inquired when the 2014 hydrogen fiel cell powered silverado would arrive, It seems in the fall , hydrogen fuel cell powered america automotive companies cars and trucks will soon be on all the lots, at which point it would seem battery power instrumentation will return to flash lights, hand tools and tooth brushes, where engineering manners of scale provide economic justification.
     
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  74. then the bankruptcy expert will have accomplished his scam of unsuspecting americans who believe in investment media, like forbes etc etc, to take their hard earned highly taxed dollars, soon to follow will be spacex, and solar city, I am surprised he didi not get up in under wind powered grid schemes, like barry soeorotoro aquandered untold billions on. I wonder of lord obama will pardon elon when he is charged for misappropriations of funds, for the 15 million home bought with taxpayer money when all his GREEN companies and NASA thefts are doomed to failure
     
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  75. @Jackie: If you can buy a hydrogen fuel-cell-powered Chevy Silverado pickup truck at your local Chevrolet dealer this fall, I will buy you dinner at any restaurant in the U.S.

    What you say is simply not true.

    Are you confusing it with the bi-fuel version of the Silverado that can run both on gasoline and compressed natural gas?
    http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1080377_chevy-gmc-bi-fuel-natural-gas-pickup-trucks-now-in-production

    Believe me, you will NOT be able to buy a GM factory-built vehicle powered by a hydrogen fuel cell any time soon. Where would you fuel it?
     
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  76. " google " hydrogen fuel cell motor vehicles, (hydrides), Over the years I have read multiple horrible experiences by tesla>tsla owners, I don't bother to keep a file on them. The fuel hydrogen can be derived from a number of hydrogen bearing compounds, proponal butanole, methanole, ethanole etc etc, Water or H2O is also a high hydrogen bearing content compound, The new hydrogen fuel cells generate hydrogen as it is required, there are no hydrogen fuel storage tanks. Your the journalist, writing about automotive energy products.
     
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  77. My studies in energy alternatives began when the oil cartel first elevated oil prices, Early 80's First I studied how to distill ethanole from any sugar bearing vegation, at a seminar at colby college with dr max pickrell, when Auther Danials Midland and the DOE were investigating designs of large distillation reactors, 90's I began studying reactors in an attempt to reduce toxicity in coal fired power plants, and into the 2000's.
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  78. I wrote Obama , The DOE, Coal-Gen, asking to began the installation of particulate removal reactors in downstream emissions of coal fired power plants. The design speciated emissions in the gas phase to particle phase by cooling down through water mist chambers, then settling out the so, no, hg etc etc, in settling tanks and reusing the water. Seimans provided the perfect software package to monitor and control, sensors activators, pump motors in the system. But placement of elements of the system would vary with each plant as most have different plant layouts-I received an email I was classed as a left wing extremist, along with several pages listing companies the doe communicates with pertaining to energy supplies
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  79. @Jackie: Yes, hydrogen can be derived from many sources.

    The problem is that large amounts of energy are needed to do so. H2 bonds very strongly to other elements e.g. in hydrocarbons, and it takes lots of energy to break those bonds. That's why H2 is a good energy carrier.

    So where are you going to get all that energy to make the hydrogen? Electricity, perhaps?

    But it's FAR more efficient to use that power to charge a battery to run a car ... versus using it to make hydrogen that you then transport to a filling station, put into a car, and convert (at no more than 50% efficiency) right back into electricity to run the car.

    Yes, I'm a journo writing about energy storage products. And?
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  81. The idea of battery electric cars is not new. Their time is nearing as you will read if you research hydrogen fuel cells, not initially funded by the obama regime, but as europe is going in that direction, Chu has been advised to fund some research in this form of energy. Our nation is controlled by federal reserve backed lobbies specific to certain commodities, energy falls under this broad category of commodities
     
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  82. by John Voelcker - in 330 Google+ circles - More by John Voelcker
    Jan 25, 2013 – First Mercedes-Benz B-Class F-Cell hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle delivery, ... BMW plans to begin developing a hydrogen-powered car in 2015, using fuel-cell .... 22. 5. Zero-Emission 2014 Chevy Silverado Model Now Available ...
     
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  83. @Jackie: You clearly didn't actually READ the Zero-Emission 2014 Silverado article, now, did you?

    It was a spoof.

    Here, read it now, then click on the link to see what it's about:
    http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1082326_zero-emission-2014-chevy-silverado-model-now-available
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  84. Drive it from Chicago to Seattle when the temperature in ND is -20F Drive at 85 MPH like that road is driven. 25 hours driving time.
    Tesla time? maybe 10 days... 200 miles, then stop overnight to charge it back up. And it is 200 miles from Fargo to Bismark. At 85 MPH and -20F, that Tesla will probably not make it.

    Side trip to Yellowstone? Not in a Tesla. The Model S is a nice toy for wealthy people who want to show off. Not a general purpose automobile.

    Tesla was a genius and a crackpot. Great guy to name this car after.
     
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