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Tesla Model S "Delivery Roulette" Annoys Some Owners, Thrills Others Page 2

 
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Tesla Model S owner David Metcalf after covering more than 400 miles [photo: Gene Kruckemyer]

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Tesla has announced that 60-kWh production will begin this month, and 40-kWh production in March. The company seems to be in no particular hurry to do so, and who can blame them?

They'd prefer to sell as many of the more expensive 85-kWh cars as possible, as they try to overcome the cash crunch of production start-up.


Tesla Motors remains mum about the proportion of the various battery options in the order book, so it's unknown how many 40- and 60-kWh depositors have been passed over as 85-kWh production continues.

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But there have been numerous non-sequential deliveries of 85-kWh  P cars as well. The reasons behind this seeming "delivery roulette" are a frustrating mystery for many owners.

Through it all, Tesla has been characteristically obtuse about the reasons for its out-of-order deliveries of production models. 

There were similar problems with out-of-order Signature deliveries that spurred much grumbling among impatient owners. At the time, Tesla VP George Blankenship responded with an e-mail explaining that the problem was due to vendor delays and  changes or shortages of  certain interior decors and options.

"In some weeks," Blankenship wrote, "it meant we had to reach forward in the sequence order to find cars that were not impacted by a particular decor or option, and in some case the absence of a decor or option pushed cars back."

In his note to Signature owners, Blankenship acknowledged the importance of the sequence numbers.

"Many Model S reservation holders I have met during the last two years introduce themselves by name and then follow their introduction by giving me their....reservation sequence number," he wrote. "Their sequence number is...very important to them, and is very important to us."

Blankenship characterized Tesla's customer communication on the subject as "weak at best," and promised to do better.

But so far, Tesla has sent no such explanation to us production owners. (Or at least P 717 has not received one.)

David Noland is a Tesla Model S reservation holder and freelance writer who lives north of New York City.

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  1. fb_1333530932 avatar John Griswell Posted: 1/3/2013 5:44pm PST

    It was pretty clear that the 60 and 40 packs would be offset at production ramp time so it seems liogical that this would happen not sure how they avoid it.

    I am in the P6000 range and getting a 60 (Feb 1-15) and I don't begrude my buddy with P8000 who is getting his 85 in a week but I can see how at P717 it would sting more ;)
     
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  2. fb_1559222512 avatar Xiaolong Li Posted: 1/3/2013 11:39pm PST

    Isn't this clear?

    Tesla is playing "favorite" with those buyers who are willing to pay more. In another sense, "money talks". The 85KWh version probably makes FAR MORE profit for Tesla and help with the cash flow than the lower KWh version.

    So, in reality, Tesla S is intended to be a $100k car...

    The 40KWh version is really one of those "draw you in bare bone version" and 85KWh is really what Tesla intended to sell. 60KWh is basically stucked in the middle.
     
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  3. petero avatar peter orgel Posted: 1/6/2013 3:58pm PST

    Xiaolong Li. Clearly...you don't get i!. While profit is important, TM said it would only build 85kWh battery cars in 2012. My middle of the road 60kWh 'S' is scheduled to be delivered in 2-5 weeks!
     
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  4. jeffhre avatar Jeff Hre Posted: 1/3/2013 11:40pm PST

    Meh...you put your chips down, and sometimes reds a winner, sometimes black. New company, new platform, new vehicle, new technology, trying to juggle ramp up of; staffing, engineering, production and new vehicles. For the complainers, it's lucky there is a Tesla still in existence at all. Let alone a car of this caliber and a working process to pull it off at scale.
     
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  5. fb_1259797080 avatar Brian Henderson Posted: 1/5/2013 4:26pm PST

    The analogy between poker chips & model options (style & color) is likely at play. Logistics of coordinating to various options & supplier constrains to obtain timely lot sizes at volume (price points) has to be challenging.

    I'm sure most wouldn't be happy with alternative solution from Henry …
    "You can have any color you want, as long as it's black".

    Clearly Tesla is working to address this when it had customers pick & lockin their options by Jan 1. I'd expect there'd be a chance of price adjustments if a customer chooses to revise their vehicle options.
     
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  6. Chris O avatar Chris O Posted: 1/4/2013 4:25am PST

    Most likely George Blankenship's explanation for the delivery order of signature series still applies: car building is a logistical nightmare and Tesla still hasn't all its ducks in a row in that department meaning it has to adjust its delivery order according to availability of parts.

    60KWh and 40KWH versions were always slated for later production of course, so David Nolan doesn't really have anything to complain about, but his "I ordered a Model S and I'm so unhappy because (fill in complaint of the day)" article series on this blog has always struck me as oddly negative for someone claiming to be a "true believer".
     
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  7. robok2 avatar robok2 Posted: 1/4/2013 9:12am PST

    Ah yes, the usual "you're not a true believer if you ever criticize anything that Tesla has ever done" nonsense again. Since reading comprehension clearly isn't your forte, I'll help you out. Mr. Nolan didn't complain, as you claimed, about the 40/60KWh models being made later. Indeed, he very publicly acknowledges that. His comment was very specifically about other reservationists with the same model getting their orders before people with lower numbers and Tesla's poor communication on the issue. But I guess even Tesla's own admittal of its poor work here means nothing to a true believer like you.

    You know, one who doesn't own an EV, never has, can't even acknowledge faults that Tesla itself admits, etc... Thanks, Mr. True Believer!
     
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  8. Chris O avatar Chris O Posted: 1/4/2013 10:30am PST

    Birds of a feather...yawn...
     
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  9. robok2 avatar robok2 Posted: 1/7/2013 9:39am PST

    Just work on those reading comprehension skills, Chris. But again, he and Mr. Blankenship are both wrong about every possible Tesla Motors topic and you're the expert. When Mr. Blankenship admitted the trouble and stated that Tesla would do better, I guess he forgot to clear it with you first...
     
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  10. Chris O avatar Chris O Posted: 1/9/2013 11:11am PST

    Nothing gets our resident rage-a-holic foaming at the mouth as objecting to a systematic negative tone in reporting on Tesla on this blog but if you got some of that foam out of your eyes you might have read that Mr. Noland is in fact quite emphatic that when it comes to people being "frustrated at a maddeningly delayed one" he should be "counted among the latter". You see it's you that has the reading problem and Mr.Noland is in fact complaining for no good reason about a well known fact: the smaller pack versions would get a later delivery date.
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  11. fb_1530968 avatar Eugene Peysakh Posted: 1/4/2013 8:58am PST

    It has nothing to do with playing favorites and probably has everything to do with Tesla working through challenges in ramping up production. It's easier to produce cars that are similar in bulk, that should be obvious. So in cases where the batteries or other options are different, those reservation holders have had to wait because of parts shortages or other issues in the supply chain, getting through NHTSA and producing similar 60kw or 40kw cars in bulk. Tesla is having trouble commenting because it is a public company and each comment is scrutinized and parsed. Just sit tight, everyone will get their cars, it's now only a question of months, maybe weeks, not years.
     
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  12. fb_528253679 avatar Marcus Frasier Posted: 1/4/2013 9:36am PST

    As a sig holder who was delivered way out of sequence, I was indeed annoyed. More annoyed, though, that David Noland continues to use the teslamotorsclub.com community to source his articles.

    I can't take you seriously if you don't take your own job seriously.
     
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  13. fb_528253679 avatar Marcus Frasier Posted: 1/4/2013 9:39am PST

    Also, it's been known for a LONG time that the 85kwh packs would be delivered first, then the 60 then the 40. The 60 JUST got EPA certification and there's nothing on the 40.

    So it should have come as no surprise to you that 85kwh packs would be delivered before yours David.
     
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  14. fb_691549831 avatar Mark Phillips Posted: 1/4/2013 10:01am PST

    Funny that you say the reasons are a frustrating mystery for many 'owners', and then go on to say that the VP sent out an email and gave perfectly understandable reasons for why they would reach forward in the queue while waiting for specific interior trims to arrive from certain suppliers. It's a mystery, but it isn't.
     
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  15. fb_1108728511 avatar Evan Fusco Posted: 1/4/2013 11:34am PST

    Your frustration is valid. Your reasoning is a bit off. There is a huge backlog of orders. Tesla must make a choice b/w going in order and taking significantly longer to fill the backlog of orders, or by building as efficiently as possible and going out of order.

    If you ordered a medium rare roast beef sandwich in the NY deli would you expect everyone who ordered well done to wait if there was prepared well done roast beef but the medium rare was still cooking even if you had an earlier number? No you wouldn't. Do dollars factor in, I hope so. Tesla needs to be in the black. They need to pay back their DOE loan. They need to become profitable eventually. The best way then can do that is to fill the backlog of orders quickly.
     
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  16. petero avatar peter orgel Posted: 1/6/2013 3:27pm PST

    TM announced many months ago that they would not produce any 60kWh batter cars until January, and no 40kWh cars until March 2013. TM also announced cars without active air suspension and those painted Sunset Red would not be built until March 2013.

    For 2012 the only steak sandwich available was 85kWh cooked in regular and performance.
     
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  17. fb_606631802 avatar Edward Arthur Posted: 1/4/2013 12:44pm PST

    I am living this right now...
    Car shipped 12/19, car 200 miles away since 1/1.
    Sitting on the edge of my seat.
     
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  18. 100thMonkey avatar george Whiteside Posted: 1/4/2013 3:02pm PST

    I guess we are at that enviable stage of the EVolution of this industry where we can move swiftly from speculating if the company is even going to survive long enough to get a product out the door to complaining about how many more weeks it's going to take to get our hands on said product! Hooray for Tesla, they have succeeded in producing a car that people are climbing over each other to get their hands on, and they are successfully cranking them out by the hundreds every week, albeit somewhat out of order.
     
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  19. Prole avatar Kim Richardson Posted: 1/4/2013 8:09pm PST

    I have no sympathy for any of you rich f$&@ks who don't need the 10,000 dollar support of taxpayers who can't afford this rich man's toy.
     
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  20. fb_738791073 avatar Eddie Bustamante Posted: 1/5/2013 2:32pm PST

    Do you mind oil companies subsidies? How about nuclear?
     
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  21. robok2 avatar robok2 Posted: 1/7/2013 9:36am PST

    Juding from your childish comments, we're all sorry that you're apparently too poor to afford a wonderful car. Sorry also that you're too ignorant to be aware that one can get the same credit on a $40k Volt, too. But most of ll, I'm just sorry that your bitterness against those with more money than you means that you'll never be satisifed.

    I don't drive a Tesla, at least yet, but I'm happy to subsidize an emerging industry that will greatly benefit us all. How's that war-of-the-week alternative doing these days? Did we win in Iraq and at what cost? How much more does the U.S. taxpayer pay already for incentives for oil/gas/nuclear/biofuel/ethanol than it will ever pay for EVs? Why don't those subsidies bother you?
     
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  22. fb_100000540315214 avatar Chris Ecker Posted: 1/9/2013 6:44am PST

    All Electric Cars: The solution that our children and grandchildren are forced to subsidize to a problem that doesn't exist. All electric cars are their own worst enemy because if they ever do become popular (~20% usage in any area), their use will necessarily be restricted or banned as they will cause random cause prolonged grid outages.

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/02/15/city-grids-may-not-be-ready-for-electric-cars
     
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  23. john_v avatar John Voelcker Posted: 1/9/2013 7:05am PST

    @Chris: Actually, not so much:

    http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1038392_will-electric-cars-destroy-your-neighborhood-power-grid-no-but

    The incremental load from plugging in cars to recharge is both miniscule against overall capacity and relatively predictable. And the issue, as explained in the article above, is more one of neighborhood transformer size than overall grid capacity.
     
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  24. linaser avatar Sven Leser Posted: 1/4/2013 10:40pm PST

    @Kim Richardson: The Model S is a project which allows Tesla to scale up production to a level, where they can massproduce cheap cars for everybody. The rich folks help Tesla with their money to grow to that level.
    @David Noland: Tesla has always communicated, that they will push back manufacturing of the 60kWh cars behind the ones with a 85kWh pack. So, I think there's no reason to complain about that. If you would have ordered a 85kWh pack you most likely already would have gotten yout car by now.

    On the other hand I know what it feels like to have a low seq# and not have gotten the car yet (I'm EU Sig #14). Tesla does this for the same reason; they can make faster profit, when they deliver to U.S. customers first.
     
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  25. fb_738791073 avatar Eddie Bustamante Posted: 1/5/2013 2:12pm PST

    Im from NYC, i really get sick and tired of all the bashing, i prefer to be here with real people (rude, nice, or in the middle) than with fake smiles all the time.
    If you dont understand that, and start a story with some easy "NY bashing" analogy, its easy to see how you dont understand basic production line economics.
     
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  26. john_v avatar John Voelcker Posted: 1/5/2013 3:51pm PST

    @Eddie: I edited this story and I live in NYC now. I wasn't offended by it. FWIW.
     
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  27. robok2 avatar robok2 Posted: 1/8/2013 10:50am PST

    Yes, Eddie, because there's clearly such a strong correlation between local attitudes and knowledge of production line economics. And thanks for letting all of us non-New Yorkers know that we're not real, too... Yeah, outside of your little NY bubble, it's 100% fake smiles, correct... If that's what helps you rationalize the notoriously horrendous manners in NYC, more power to you, I guess.
     
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  28. john_v avatar John Voelcker Posted: 1/8/2013 12:10pm PST

    @Robok2: As the t-shirt says:

    New York City
    Where we eat the wounded
     
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  29. grumpier avatar Mike Williams Posted: 1/5/2013 5:09pm PST

    I just saw the first Tesla in my town. Holy poo, what a great looking car!
     
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  30. fb_1559222512 avatar Xiaolong Li Posted: 1/5/2013 10:06pm PST

    Already saw my 6th one... :)

    1 Grey, 2 black, 1 maroon/red, 2 white Tesla.

    One even had a child seat in the back. It is a pretty cool car. Wish I had the money...
     
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  31. fb_1470388190 avatar David Laur Posted: 1/5/2013 6:51pm PST

    it is funny how upset we get when one little thing does not happen as promised despite it being promised 3 years in advance. back in 2009, what date were you promised? I am only familiar with one person who has received their (85 KW of course) Tesla and the delivery date given to him 2 years ago (ya, his number is way above yours as well) was actually very close to his mid December delivery date...
     
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  32. petero avatar peter orgel Posted: 1/6/2013 3:20pm PST

    Mr. Noland, I disagree with you, I too am am a 60kWh reservation holder (P3916). TM said that they will NOT produce the 60kWh battery until January and there would be further delays if you did not order the air suspension and/or the Sunset Red. TM focused on making sure they manufactured 3,000+ 'S' before the end of the year. While I was not happy to see reservation holders with higher numbers and 85kWh batteries put ahead of me, I understood.

    When TM said they would build 60's in January I figured it would be late January. On 12/30/12 my delivery button activated and I was give an ETA of 1/19 - 2/2/13. My only complaint, TM should have e-mailed me to complete the delivery questionnaire instead of reading about this on the forum.
     
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  33. DavidNoland avatar David Noland Posted: 1/9/2013 12:41pm PST

    Actually, I don't think we disagree at all.

    You say "While I was not happy to see reservation holders with higher numbers and 85-kWh batteries put ahead of me, I understood."

    That pretty well sums up my feelings as well.
     
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  34. fb_1425304620 avatar Joe Foerster Posted: 1/6/2013 5:22pm PST

    Reminds me of the facebook posting of the girl who is crying as she opens the gift of a white iPhone and screaming she wanted a black one. You know, the girl we want to slap for being so spoiled?

    I appreciate that you paid your money, got your estimated date and are now seeing the mongrels who came in after you getting their car first. It's like being at the doctor's office and seeing people checking in after you getting seen first, or the old parable of the men who were disgruntled over getting the same wages when they started early in the morning as ones who started after lunch. We kinda have to deal with this kind of thing all the time. Many posts here seem to explain the reasons for it.
     
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