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2012 Chevrolt Volt Gas Station Advert

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Americas Team,

GE is playing a leadership role in moving Electric Vehicles (EVs) from anticipation to action – and you are a part of this movement!  Jeff Immelt announced a game changing global commitment to purchase 25,000 EVs as part of a plan to convert half of GE’s global vehicle fleet by 2015.  This is the largest commitment ever to an EV fleet.

GE’s commitment to EVs is part of our Ecomagination business strategy to accelerate the development and deployment of clean energy technology through innovation and R&D investment. Further, it serves as an important market validation of new vehicle technologies and the associated charging infrastructure.  EV’s are an important step toward energy independence and a way to reduce our dependence on oil.  By deploying EVs into the GE fleet we can accelerate the market acceptance of EV’s, and gain insights into potential new business opportunities for charging infrastructure and smart grid technologies…while reducing emissions from our fleet.

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General Electric GE WattStation charging

"Electric vehicle technology is real and ready for deployment and we are embracing the transformation with partners like GM and our fleet customers." "By electrifying our own fleet, we will accelerate the adoption curve, drive scale, and move electric vehicles from anticipation to action."

                                               ……..Jeff Immelt

GE Businesses across the USA have piloted and deployed over 300 EV’s in 2011.  GE is now moving this project forward from the pilot phase into full scale deployment.  GE Healthcare is at the forefront of this effort, with about half of the entire GE fleet worldwide. 

Please embrace the new vehicle technology, the Chairman’s initiative, and the positive environmental impact of EV’s.

2012 Chevrolet Volt

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CHANGES for 2012 Fleet Program

  • All sedans ordered in 2012 for GEHC will be the Chevrolet Volt. 
  • All crossover and minivan vehicles will be migrated to an EV sedan when the current vehicle is up for replacement.  The current EV sedan is the Chevrolet Volt.  Field Engineers are an exception, and will be able to order larger vehicles based on job requirements.  FE EV’s are expected in future years.
  • Drivers ordering Volts will be set up for a home site assessment/estimate for 240V electric charger installation.  If a dedicated 110V home outlet is available, the vehicle can be charged on 110V until the installation of a 240V charger is completed.  There may be instances where home 240V charger will not/cannot be installed, therefore charging on 110V home outlet, public charging stations or all gas use will be justified.
  • Monthly home electric reimbursement will be via T&L.  Rates are determined using state DOE average KW rates and will be updated periodically.
  • Public charging expenses to be expensed via T&L using AMEX card.
  • To encourage EV deployment, if an employee is eligible for a fleet vehicle, a fleet vehicle will be made available.  If a new driver opts out of the fleet program and elects to drive a personal vehicle, there will be no reimbursement.  For current employees who qualify for a fleet vehicle, but have chosen to drive a personal vehicle, reimbursement by GEHC will stop as of 1/1/2013.

·         GEHC will no longer offer all-wheel drive vehicles beginning this order cycle.


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Comments (55)
  1. Bold and quite brilliant; my next refrigerator will be a GE unit, no option.

  2. If the Volt is a good as their refrigerators then good luck with that.

  3. Sorry to inform Jeff at GE, but the Volt is a hybrid, not an EV. The gas engine can drive the wheels under certain conditions even if battery power is available.

  4. Yeah, GE has not bought a bunch of EV's, they bought a bunch of hybrids. Which is fine, but let's use the proper terms.

  5. @Garry, @JRP3: Here at GCR, an "electric car" is any vehicle whose wheels are turned *primarily* by the electric traction motor(s).

    As I'm sure you know, the torque that is occasionally provided by the Volt engine through the motor to the wheels is less than the torque of the e-motor itself.

    This gives us a dividing line between a "range-extended electric car" or "series hybrid" (e.g. Volt, Karma) and a "plug-in hybrid" that has a larger, wall-chargeable battery pack but still gets most of its total torque from the engine (e.g. Toyota and Ford PHEVs).

    We do so to make clear to readers that the Prius Plug-In & the Volt operate very differently & feel different behind the wheel. [cont]

  6. John, you are as bad as GM in understanding what is an electric car and what is not an electric car. The Volt is a hybrid, plain and simple and it is not an electric vehicle. An electric vehicle does not have, nor does it need an ICE engine of any kind. The Leaf is a EV. So if a vehicle does not have an ICE engine of any kind and runs only on electricity that you get from a grid of some kind, then it is an EV. If it has an ICE, then it is a hybrid. GM is not a good influence on you; they distort and corrupt your thinking.

  7. And also, since the Volt gets more millage on the ICE than it does on the EV, that makes it an extended range ICE, not an extended range EV. Stop twisting the words and it will become clearer to you what is an EV and what is not and what is a hybrid and what is not.

  8. @James, When I test drove the LEAF it had been charged from an ICE diesel generator. Does that make it a hybrid too?

  9. @ john Briggs,
    Really? Is a LEAF charged from an NG generating plant make it a hybrid? Or a fuel oil plant? Obviously there is a difference with an on board generator, and that makes it a hybrid.

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  11. [cont] We recognize that you may not agree with our logic, but we've been consistent in that definition.

    In the end, we feel it's important to highlight the differences for buyers in e-range, driving experience, and efficiency in different modes between series hybrids and plug-in power-split hybrids. Hope this helps.

  12. So if a larger electric motor is put into the plug-in Prius it magically becomes an E-REV despite its very short e-range?

    Also, what if Chevy drops the Volt range to 10 miles all electric, does it then become a plug-in hybrid?

    Does the Karma change from an E-REV to a plug-in hybrid when you put it in "Sport mode"? After-all, it is then getting more "torque" from the gasoline engine.

    Seems like you are making a distinction without a difference. There is a continuum of modes of operation here.

    To me, I think it makes more sense to draw the line based on solely on the e-range and not consider whether or not the gas engine kicks in to get you up to highway speed.

  13. To me it makes more sense to call hybrids hybrids, not EV's. I'm sorry but calling a plug in hybrid an EV only confuses the issue, as has been repeatedly proven by people calling the Volt a $40K "EV" with only a 40 mile range, and claiming it "ran out of juice in the Lincoln tunnel after only 19 miles" as Fox recently did. Calling the Volt an EV makes EV's look bad, and it makes the Volt look like a bad EV. It's all bad.

  14. So what limits do you propose should be set on what is permitted to be called an "electric car"?

    And a related Q: Do you agree with the absolutist position often used to complain about our practice that if it has ANYTHING else beside a battery pack and a traction motor (e.g. a range extender--or perhaps a hydrogen fuel cell), then "it's not an electric car"?

  15. The term "electric vehicle" really should be reserved for BEV's. Alternatively it could also be clearly stated that something is a Battery Electric Vehicle, although cumbersome, it may be worth the added clarity.

    Related to that, something like the GEM is an EV or BEV, but I don't suspect we would ever want to end a sentence without more qualifications. We would always say NEV so that no one mistakes for a serious vehicle.

    We already at pains to explain hybrids as "start-stop" or "mild" or "full" because there is such a significant difference in performance.

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  17. So, since you have been consistent in your definition, does that mean that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks? The Volt is a hybrid; just tell the benefits the Volt hybrid has over the Leaf EV. The Leaf is a EV, so just tell the benefits the Leaf EV has over the Volt hybrid. Keep it simple and don't confuse the two with 20 or 30 different names to try and make the Volt sound better or make the Leaf sound better. We can make our own decision if you just give us the facts and only the facts.

  18. Consistently calling an elephant a giraffe does not make it so.

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  20. With a program called “Growth and Government” that started in the late 1990s and was more formalized around 2003, the company moved government policy experts into its largest business units to school GE executives on how to align GE goals with national goals. - Wall Street Journal Nov 2009

    Governmental consumption in action...

  21. GE = governmental consumption huh...Sure GE buying EV's or PHEV's must be some socialist plot. It must be what else would a company like GE have to have to gain from buying EV's. GE must stand for Government Entity...nooooo; General Electric, what an odd coincidence. Haters gotta hate!

  22. GE is also a major wind turbine manufacturer.

    EVs will greatly aid wind power. The wind tends to blow more at night when demand is low which leads to lower profits. Bringing a lot of EVs to the grid and charging them at night will increase wind farm profits. Higher profits means more turbines installed.

  23. Whew...Voltees really digging deep for any reason to justify their beloved product. Wind blows more at night? Where?

  24. In the Midwest. In the Texas Panhandle.

    The wind tends to pick up in late afternoon in Wyoming which makes it a perfect partner for SoCal solar power, it's why transmission lines are being built to tie Wyoming wind to the Pacific and Intermountain Interies (HVDC transmission lines).

    The availability of wind at night often drives the wholesale cost of electricity close to $0.00/kWh.

  25. Volt is a plugin series hybrid. It has some parallel element but dominantly series.

  26. They should save a ton of money, gas should be over $4 everywhere by April.. I've driven 4,600 miles in my Volt using 7.7 gallons...


  27. One thing is for will not hear of any negative public feedback from GE employees on the Volt. GE has way to much invested in its success and way too much collusion with GM / Obama in its success. In fact any positive reviews, then, should be taken with a grain of salt.

  28. Yes, Shape, and all the Volt owners outside GM who like their Volts, you know the ones who made the Volt get the highese rating in consumer satisfaction, they all must be corrupted by that evil Obama/GE socialist plot, right? No, GE employees are terrified because the President will personally have every person with a negative comment fired, right?

    Haters have to hate and lovers of conspiracies love to fine depper meaning that is really there. hate it, if you want, but don't call others like of the vehicle dishonest, that's just a paranoid attack on others.

  29. Wow what a stupid idea. If I got this I would use the gas option all the time in protest. It would be cheaper to buy a Chevy Cruz then to waste money on this lemon.

  30. That would be in interesting protest, using more expensive gasoline, sending money to foreign countries, instead of using cheaper electricity keeping the money here in the US. That protest would certainly prove something....

  31. Thank you, JRP3. JL doesn't get the math at all and few do:

    $40k-$42k purchase price, $7.5 tax credit->let's use $33.5 in the middle. At 15k miles/year and 80/20 EV use, compared to a vehicle with 25 MPG overall, it saves 514 gallons a year. 600 versus 86. Even at $4 gas that will only increase, that's $2,056/yr. in fuel savings. Even paying for electricity adds only $60/month (I'm using my local nightime rates in MI), so -$720/yr., so still a savings of $1,316 year. In five years, savings=$6,580.

    So $33.5-$6,580, or less than $27k. Not insignificantly, about the average cost of a Prius.

    Yes, EVs are horrible and foreign oil is much better. I mean, eventually, we'll win a war in the Middle East that doesn't cost more than a trillion.

  32. What is the Volt worth when you drive it off the lot? I doubt you could sell it. Also, after five years, you will need to replace the batteries at several thousand dollars. Toyota has also sold well over 1M vehicles; the Volt is at 10,000. The car is not going to survive.

  33. The battery is warrantied for 8 years and Prius batteries have been shown to be reliable for at least 250,000 miles, i.e. the life of the car.

  34. @Kevin: Please cite a source for your claim that the Volt battery will need to be replaced after five years (which is, as John Briggs points out here, under warranty). Links to data on Volt battery life would be best. Please provide.

  35. Sounds like you don't care about our soldiers dying overseas to protect the oil flows for you...

  36. Somehow I think this will backfire on them. If this were any other car production would have ceased. And the fact is, GE can only buy so many and the American public doesn't want this hybrid. They failed to learn from Toyota.

  37. Actually the Volt is selling better in its first year than the Prius did in its first sales.

  38. Oh my god the insanity is stifling! Can’t you see the 1800 pound gorilla in the room? This is an obvious and blatant attempt by GE to prop up Obama. It’s cronyism 101! Most if not all of O-so-corrupt’s green jobs initiatives are money laundering schemes use to siphon OUR tax dollars to his supporters. The money GE spends on these horrid cars should be counted as a DNC campaign contribution.

  39. John,
    Using your definition "an "electric car" is any vehicle whose wheels are turned *primarily* by the electric traction motor(s)." would make every Diesel/Electric Locomotive an "Electric Train".

  40. I don't have any objection to calling the Volt an electric car because it is one. However, it is more precisely a Plug-in Series Hybrid Electric Car.

    "Electric Car with extended range" is GM Marketing pitching one of the advantages of a hybrid electric vs. a pure electric car. Toyota could market the Prius as an "Electric Car with extended range and performance" if it wanted to. You can drive it as all electric until the battery runs down or you want to go faster then 10mph. Then it switches to the "extended" mode by starting the gasoline engine to charge the batteries and drive the wheels.

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