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The EPA's McCarthy said that at the moment, the EPA did not have labels finalized for either the 2011 Nissan Leaf (an electric vehicle) or the 2011 Chevrolet Volt (an electric vehicle with a gasoline range extender).

The 2011 Volt in particular poses a problem because its "gas mileage" depend entirely on how it's used and how often it's plugged in. A similar problem applies to the 2012 Toyota Prius Plug-In Hybrid, which has a larger battery pack than a standard Prius which can be plugged into the grid to recharge it.

Those labels, McCarthy said, will have a "Miles Per Gallon" equivalent as well as an electricity consumption number, measured in Kilowatt-Hours per 100 Miles Kilowatts Per Hour.

She also noted that in the supporting documents, a full range of vehicle types are represented in the full set of design alternatives, though that document offers little explanation. A simplified and shorter overview for the public is also available.

For a plug-in hybrid, the designs provide both the gas mileage when operating in gasoline mode and the energy usage (in kWh/100 miles) when operating in electric mode.






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  1. By Stan bischof Posted: 8/30/2010 11:30am PDT

    "electricity consumption number, measured in Kilowatts Per Hour."
    "energy usage (in kilowatts per 100 miles)"
    One would hope that a Senior Editor such as Mr Voelcker would know that a "kilowatt" is not a unit of energy. At least the proposed sticker gets this correct!
     
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  2. john_v avatar John Voelcker Posted: 8/30/2010 12:59pm PDT

    @Stan: You are entirely correct, and I apologize for an error made in haste typing while listening to the press conference live. We try to bring you the news fast here at GCR, and occasionally it bites us. I've fixed the offending wording. Thanks for your eagle eye!
     
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  3. fb_1301357758 avatar Jonathan Golubiewski Posted: 8/30/2010 4:40pm PDT

    Gov't PRIORITIES = YOUR OPINION (COMPLY NOW)
    i.e. the gov't Emissions are the ONLY thing that matters!
    How about an EQUAL rating for EACH of these:
    PRICE
    PERFORMANCE
    FUEL EFFICIENCY
    CRASH RATING
    COMFORT
    TOWING
    CARGO ROOM
    SAFETY TECHNOLOGY
    Then let ME make the final decision as to the value!
    But if the Orwellian mind-control works, then maybe it will drive up the prices of the A+ models, drive DOWN the prices of the D- models and everyone will buy the D- models b/c they are cheap!
    ALSO, Electric cars MUST take into account the “carbon footprint” of the ELECTRIC GENERATED to run them. SORRY, GRID ELECTRIC isn't FREE, nor generated CARBON FREE! It simply shifts the point of carbon generation to the source! ALL must be accounted for!
     
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  4. fb_1301357758 avatar Jonathan Golubiewski Posted: 8/30/2010 5:09pm PDT

    Gov't PRIORITIES = YOUR OPINION (COMPLY NOW)
    i.e. the gov't Emissions are the ONLY thing that matters!
    How about an EQUAL rating for EACH of these:
    PRICE
    PERFORMANCE
    FUEL EFFICIENCY
    CRASH RATING
    COMFORT
    TOWING
    CARGO ROOM
    SAFETY TECHNOLOGY
    Then let ME make the final decision as to the value!
    But if the Orwellian mind-control works, then maybe it will drive up the prices of the A+ models, drive DOWN the prices of the D- models and everyone will buy the D- models b/c they are cheap!
    ALSO, Electric cars MUST take into account the “carbon footprint” of the ELECTRIC GENERATED to run them. SORRY, GRID ELECTRIC isn't FREE, nor generated CARBON FREE! It simply shifts the point of carbon generation to the source! ALL must be accounted for!
     
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  5. fb_1301357758 avatar Jonathan Golubiewski Posted: 8/30/2010 5:24pm PDT

    Gov't PRIORITIES = YOUR OPINION (COMPLY NOW)
    i.e. the gov't Emissions are the ONLY thing that matters!
    How about an EQUAL rating for EACH of these:
    PRICE
    PERFORMANCE
    FUEL EFFICIENCY
    CRASH RATING
    COMFORT
    TOWING
    CARGO ROOM
    SAFETY TECHNOLOGY
    Then let ME make the final decision as to the value!
    But if the Orwellian mind-control works, then maybe it will drive up the prices of the A+ models, drive DOWN the prices of the D- models and everyone will buy the D- models b/c they are cheap!
    ALSO, Electric cars MUST take into account the “carbon footprint” of the ELECTRIC GENERATED to run them. SORRY, GRID ELECTRIC isn't FREE, nor generated CARBON FREE! It simply shifts the point of carbon generation to the source! ALL must be accounted for!
     
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  6. fb_1301357758 avatar Jonathan Golubiewski Posted: 8/30/2010 5:26pm PDT

    I'm not sure why this keeps posting... This is NOT intentional!!! Request for moderator to remedy. Thx!
     
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  7. By Robin Link Posted: 8/30/2010 5:54pm PDT

    Kudos to Jonathan G, comment above, pointing out the obvious. Thank you Mr.Volelcker, for information not included in the Wall Street journal article about this latest waste of taxpayer money (which will also be passed through to those taxpayers who buy a car after this idiocy is implemented)
     
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  8. By mastermo411 Posted: 8/30/2010 11:49pm PDT

    Interesting. I have to wonder about fuel efficiency effecting not just new cars, but used cars. I found this idea for a "mechanical hybrid" if you could call if that. Check it out http://bit.ly/b39VaT Is something like that possible? Thanks for your thoughts.
     
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  9. fb_1301357758 avatar Jonathan Golubiewski Posted: 8/31/2010 1:02am PDT

    Need to consider technologies like Active Fuel Management & flexible-fuel vehicles.
    "While the new EPA standards (2008+) may represent an improvement, real world user data may still be the best way to gather and collect accurate fuel economy information." ~ Wiki "Miles Per Gallon"
    We may be missing the point altogether due to diminishing returns!
    AVG pass car = 12,500 mi/yr
    @10mpg = 1250 gal/yr
    @20mpg = 625 gal.yr
    @30mpg = 417 gal/yr
    @40mpg = 312 gal/yr
    @50mpg = 250 gal/yr
    @60mpg = 208 gal/yr
    @70mpg = 179 gal/yr
    Incr. 20 to 30 mpg, saves 208 gal/yr
    Incr. 60 to 70 mpg, saves a mere 29 gal/yr!
    Mortgaging our children's future over 29 gal/yr may not be the best investment.
    How about belching buses? Abundant clean-burning PROPANE? 3rdworld contries?
     
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