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Nissan: “Leaf’s Battery Pack Should Last As Long As The Car”

 
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Nissan’s all-electric Leaf isn’t having a great time of it this week in the mainstream media.  

Firstly, Nissan had to defend itself against popular British motoring entertainment program Top Gear after it showed the electric hatchback in a less-than favorable light, quoting a battery expert who said the Leaf’s 24 kilowatt hour battery pack would need replacing after just three years.

Now British newspaper The Telegraph has joined in the fight, claiming that a new battery pack for the Leaf would cost owners a few hundred dollars shy of $32,000.


In an article published yesterday, the newspaper quoted Andy Palmer, Nissan’s Senior Vice-President, as saying each of the 48 individual modules which make up the Leaf’s battery pack cost $662 to replace. 

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Using some simple math -- and assuming that the cost of an individual module would be 1/48th the price of an entire battery pack -- the newspaper came up with its rather outlandish estimate. 

But the idea that the Leaf would even need a battery replacement in its lifetime isn’t a realistic one, according to Nissan’s experts. 

“The Leaf battery pack is designed to last the lifetime of the car. IF used in normal conditions, it is not expected that owners will ever have to replace the battery pack,” a spokesperson told us. “Our tests suggest that the battery will be at 80% capacity after five years depending on charging and usage. Even at 80% the Leaf would give a range of more than 80 miles.”

As for the claims from both Top Gear, The Times, and The Telegraph that rapid level 3 charging will kill a Leaf battery pack within three years, Nissan disagrees. 

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“We are confident that [rapid] charging once a day will have no impact on the expected durability,” said a Nissan representative. “A single [rapid] charge plus a conventional charge per day would give enough to travel almost 200 miles a day, or 72,000 miles a year. The average motorist does less than 10,000 miles a year. An example from our telematics shows a privately-owned Leaf in Tokyo still has 100% charge capacity after 10,00 miles and 326 [rapid] charges."

And price? The figures claimed by the press for a replacement pack are completely inflated, Nissan claims. 

“To make the maintenance of the Leaf as easy as possible, the “battery” is actually 48 batteries in a large box which can be replaced individually to keep costs low. Each is connected to the Leaf’s advanced telematics system so Nissan can monitor the health of each module remotely. The price quoted in the press of [$31,795] for an entire battery is not indicative of the actual cost. It is an extrapolation of the individual price of replacing a single battery multiplied by 48. The cost of a conventional engine and transmission built up from individually sourced parts would be similarly high”

[Nissan]

 





 
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Comments (11)
  1. If anybody believes those idiots on Top Gear, they too, are idiots. And what do newspapers know about cars? They are all about sensationalism even if it is unsubstantiated.
     
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  2. You've never worked with the public, have you? At least 50% of everyone is an idiot.
     
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  3. Well, that's still a better deal than if I wanted to replace the battery pack in my 1999 Ford Ranger EV. The NiMH replacement battery is available for $1800 each times 25 = $45,000. So even at 32K, the lighter and more powerful Leaf battery is still cheaper.

    Of course saying the cost of the battery pack is the sum of the cost of the parts is like saying the cost to replace an engine in an ICE is $25,000 cause that's what it would cost if you buy all the parts individually.
     
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  4. 80% after 5 years ain't very good. In defending against some media lies, Nissan execs have given the press more fodder to chew on.
     
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  5. Even with the price of the Leaf's battery, it is still the better deal over the ICE and hybrid. The cost of batteries will come down greatly and the quality will go up greatly, and do it before 2015. So, no matter how you slice it, the Leaf is a slice of pie and the ICE and hybrid is a slice of lemon.
     
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  6. 80% after 5 years pretty much means it needs to be replaced considering the rather modest range the fresh pack started out with. So unless Nissan suggests the car will only last 5 years I don't quite understand the claim that Leaf’s battery pack should last as long as the car. And the price of individual modules had better not be $662....
     
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  7. The good news of course is that in 5 years Nissan will most likely have it's improved chemistry they are working on on offer so one could end up with a car with far better range. See:http://gas2.org/2009/12/01/with-new-battery-nissan-plans-to-double-ev-range-by-2015/
     
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  8. Nikki, Nikki, Nikki,....for the last time...there ain't no such thing as level 3 on the LEAF...there is DC Fast Charge...and/or there is DC Level 2 (on the Nissan LEAF and soon the Mitsubishi i). But no AC Level 3 or DC Level 3 charging.
    Please do your homework.....or read your emails.
     
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  9. JP - I'm using what Nissan and most drivers term Level 3 charging - the rapid chadamo port.
     
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  10. my Stats for July. Leaf; 1194 miles, $27 in electricity. the Prius; 1055 miles, $76.05 in gas. if i still had 2 Priuses, i could say that my transportation costs for the month would be &162 in gas to drive the combined 2249 miles but that would not be quite right. The Leaf, besides being nearly 300% cheaper to drive than my 50 mpg Prius, also boosts the Prius' performance because the Prius rarely is needed for those short, in town, high inefficient trips anymore.
     
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  11. That is awesome news. The Leaf is competitively priced and with a long lasting batter Pack! I can't wait to own one of these. In the mean time, I am driving a 2012 Plug in Prius which is getting me on average 75 mpg which is the best MPGs I have ever gotten and that is great!
     
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