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The first 1,000 or so 2012 Tesla Model S electric sport sedans to be delivered to U.S. customers will be fully-loaded, limited-edition "Signature" cars.
But as delivery dates slip due to early production snags, some owners of Signature cars--called "Sigs" within the Tesla clan--grumble that they're not getting much value for the extra money they had to shell out.
Is the "Sig tax"--the premium price and the hefty $40,000 deposit--worth its benefits?
Let's look at the numbers.
The Tesla Motors [NSDQ:TSLA] list price for a Signature Model S is $87,900.
A comparably-equipped standard Model S--with an 85-kWh battery and all available options except the moon roof--lists for $84,350. That's a $3,550 difference.
For the Performance version of the car, the comparable numbers are $97,900 and $92,850--or a $5,050 difference.
Interest adds up, too
The effective "Sig tax" can be higher if an owner wouldn't otherwise have ordered a particular option. Downgrades aren't allowed; Signature owners pay for all the options and the premium paint job whether they want them or not.
Then there's the interest on the $40,000 deposit. In effect, Tesla has received interest-free loans totaling more than $40 million from its Signature owners.
Early depositors put down their money more than three years ago. At current corporate bond rates (about 6 percent), that amounts to about $8,000 in foregone interest.
So, roughly speaking, the typical Signature owner has paid a "Sig tax" of $3,500 to $13,000.
What does he or she get for the money?
In addition, Signature Performance models get some added minor interior and exterior accents that the standard Performance car lacks.
Ironically, the Signature Model S lacks some interior and paint options available on the standard car.
If you happen to prefer green paint to red, or a silver interior rather than white, the first two Signature "benefits" become penalties.
Is that all there is?
At first glance, these Signature benefits may not impress.
"I don't think I'm getting anywhere near the value for the money," griped one owner in a lengthy thread on the Tesla Motor Club forum.
"I too think the Sig is a disappointment in terms of value," chimed in another. "But I can't bring myself to switch (to a standard car)."
For most Sig owners, however, the "Big Bennie" is not the car itself. It's the timing.
Sig owners automatically go to the front of the queue to own what is, by all accounts, an extraordinary, ground-breaking car.
But recent production delays and the rapid anticipated ramp-up in production of standard cars as soon as the Signature cars are built has blunted this hoped-for time advantage.
"I was willing to pay the premium (begrudgingly) to jump the line by three months," says one Sig owner whose car has been delayed by four to six weeks. "But for one month, it's an absurd premium to pay."
"Delivery during the summer would actually have had some value," echoed another.
Earliest cars delivered
The very earliest adopters at the head of the Sig line already have the pleasure of driving their cars three to six months ahead of the rabble, starting in June with venture capitalist Steve Jurvetson, who's on the Tesla board.
(At this writing, Tesla will only say that "more than 250" Model S cars have been delivered.)
Last-minute Signature buyers also reaped a huge bonus in delivery time. If you signed up for one of the last few remaining Sigs in August, you're probably looking at a December delivery.
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My old boss drove Lexuses. When he went in to Lexus service he would say "I am pretty sure they are #$%^#ing me over, but they treat me so nice when I am there that I love going there. Chalk one up for the Lexus service experience.
People who think with their heart rather than their calculator. This is not a Camry you know...
- All Sigs didn't deposit $40K 3 years ago. (Sig. reservations didn't sell out until Dec. 2011). At least 1/3 of Sigs made their deposit 1 year ago or less.
- All Sigs can use the Tesla SuperChargers on road trips and get free electric fuel for life. They also get free 3G internet for the first year. Wouldn't you call those perks?
- Gen. Production Model S cars will begin shipping in Nov-12. The author stated Summer 2013.
I'll stop here.
Is it based on current production numbers as of this week (which the company won't discuss) or projections of production rates from awhile back? Details welcomed and, in fact, requested.
It doesn't say all Sigs deposited $40K three years ago. It says some did.
It doesn't say that general production cars will start shipping in summer 2013. It said that if you had placed an order for one in Aug 2012, you'd be roughly number 12,000 on the waiting list, and probably get your car in summer 2013. I'll be delighted if regular production cars start shipping in November--I'm number P717--but I wouldn't count on it.
And you're wrong that Sigs sold out in Dec 2011. According to a Tesla rep I talked to, it was August 2012.
Yes, Signature cars get free Supercharging for life. But so do standard cars. How is that a Sig benefit?
Many people ignore that the first P was reserved way back in 2009 and the last US Sig end of July 2012. Had that last Sig customer reserved a regular production model in July, (s)he would have gotten reservation number 11,000 and could have expected his/her car sometime next Spring.
"But as delivery dates slip due to early production snags, some owners of Signature cars--called "Sigs" within the Tesla clan--grumble that they're not getting much value for the extra money they had to shell out."
That is therefore nonsense, the 6 month gap remains since a delay in Sigs also means a delay for general production cars.
oh well. better late than never as long as its not too late. One thing to consider; I have a LEAF and its STILL the only car I would buy (or can afford to buy) so Tesla does not have to worry about competition.
If you are willing to look at risky investments (like bonds, whose prices can vary wildly), the "sig tax" can be calculated to be nearly infinite. For example, "sig" holders could have bought AOL stock with their deposits and gotten the car for free, with the deposit back.
Let's keep the math closer to real, OK?
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/10289-So-What-exactly-is-the-value-of-a-Signature-Model-S
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com
Also, I don't think the author even bothered to ask members if they minded being quoted. If he had, he might have learned that "Arnold Panz, of Miami, Fla" is just a user-ID (a reference to a movie character) and not the forum member's actual name.
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