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Theory Meets Reality: How Expensive IS The 2011 Think City?

 
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Think City $17,995 ad campaign

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It’s well known that any sales material always uses the most attractive pricing option as a way of enticing customers to buy a product.

 

But is it helpful, confusing or downright misleading for an electric automaker to advertise an electric car for sale at more than $17,500 less than its own Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price? 


Enter Think USA. Earlier on this week it sent out a marketing email to those who had registered interest in its all-electric Think City.  In it the email proudly announced that the Think City was available “For as low as $17,995”. 

Recipients were encouraged to click on a link within the email which took them to Think’s own website, where a drop-down menu allows visitors to select the state they live in, displaying for the first time that the 65 mph two seat Think could end up costing a whole lot more to buy. 

Assembly of Think City electric cars, Elkhart, Indiana, Jan 2011

Assembly of Think City electric cars, Elkhart, Indiana, Jan 2011

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In fact, for residents outside the 21 states listed on Think’s site, the all-electric city car would set them back a massive $28,995 after the $7,500 federal tax credit has been applied. 

In case you didn’t know, Federal Tax Credits towards the cost of buying a qualifying plug-in vehicle are applied retrospectively to your end-of-year tax bill. While the current administration is working to turn tax credits to purchase grants applicable at the time of purchase it has not yet been passed, meaning that anyone currently purchasing an electric car is stuck with the end-of year tax rebate. 

That translates to one simple fact: You have to pay the MSRP of $35,495 in full at the time of purchase. 

Because of that, we’ve always called out automakers who advertise their electric cars based not on MSRP but the price after federal tax incentives because it confuses consumers, but advertising a car on a nationwide level based on the lowest theoretical purchase price after all conceivable tax credits and rebates have been applied for a few states is plain wrong. 

We’re not sure the original intent of Think’s pricing page was to misinform, however. 

Assembly of Think City electric cars, Elkhart, Indiana, Jan 2011

Assembly of Think City electric cars, Elkhart, Indiana, Jan 2011

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Instead, we think it is clear that Think genuinely wanted to provide its customers with as much information as possible about purchase prices in different states, but that somewhere between the inception and the execution things got a little out of hand. A wildly optimistic headline price was added to an email drop and the rest is, as they say, history. 

Nevertheless, we think Think needs to restructure its pricing page and advertising campaign to properly reflect its MSRP for the Think City, providing links to each state’s own incentives and credits. 

And in case you were wondering, there’s only two states where you can get a Think City for $17,995: California and Indiana. And to do so, you'll have to buy one of the many models currently being sold off cheaply by the company in its Model Year Inventory Clearance.

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Comments (13)
  1. I'm sorry to keep coming across as being so cynical, but the history of startup car companies is there for all to see. This just isn't going to work IMHO. And yes, the advertising is embarrassing. Desperate times call for desperate measures, I suppose.
     
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  2. If only the Think City EV was available at that price... it might be a very different story.
    Personally, I think companies like THINK gave up on lead acid batteries too early and were lured by the promises of lithium-ion... promises that don't always stack up in the cold light of day.
    Meanwhile, lead acid batteries are improving leaps and bounds. With a modern lead acid battery with the very latest battery management systems, you can have a battery pack last 8-10 years and have a replacement cost about a tenth of the cost of a lithium replacement.
    For sure, the range wouldn't be so good, but that would mean that THINK could do a low range EV for £17,995 and their long-range car for the higher price - options for everyone.
     
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  3. These are tough times for all car makers, but tough times for new EV’s. Think has struggled for over 15 yrs. This is same for many EV start ups. Why? In a complex business like automotive it takes 3 types of knowledge to execute the product. The things you know you know, about 90%. The things you know, you don't know & will learn about; this should be about 10%. Lastly are the things you don't know, that you don't know. These surprises can hurt you. Should be
     
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  4. @Michael Boxwell,
    One of the biggest drawbacks to Lead Acid batteries is they can only handle a DOD of 30% and suffer from Peukarts Law (resistance to quick discharge)more than any other cell type. As for price, the best price I could find for Optima Blue Top deep cycle marine batteries (the best on the market today, used in my 2007 NmG) was $150 each when bought in pairs at Kragen Auto Supply. That's $300 + tax for 1.32kWh (12V x 55Ah = 660Wh each) or $1,950 + tax for 8.6kWh battery pack. They lasted over 800 charge cycles for about 9600 miles before needing replacement. I don't know where you got your pricing or longevity numbers, but out here in the real world of daily EV driving your assertions regarding LA vs Li-Ion are a fantasy.
     
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  5. I don't understand why they are not going with the Zebra sodium batteries. They seem like ideal batteries. Long life, high energy density and cheap to manufacture. Think has far more miles, like 1000x more miles on these Zebra battries fleet wide than the lithium batteries. They don't suffer from degraded performnace due to cold conditions, they don't degrade when fully discharged, did I mention they are based on salt? Super super cheap if mass produced, 1/2 to 1/4 of what current lithium batteries cost per kwh and available now.
     
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  6. #5 Turbofroggy - And what about EEStor??? Sorry, couldn't resist, LOL.
     
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  7. I know this company. They try, but are led by people who are car salesmen not normal people. (no offence)
    I worked for one also, a nice guy and the idea was great, just the application cost more than he was willing or could afford to complete. I have built home builts since 1976, and can tell you that most of the comments here are dead on. I use Fallriver AGMs in the 90ah range and a 144v dc traction pack.
    at hiway speeds halling 4 people, you still just get around 40 miles on a charge. It still takes 10hr to recharge, and cost around 29 cents an hour on 110 ac.
    If the banking system or someone who really gives a damn will finance a conversion, you can get a Hummer done for around 30K. The reasons are plain. No money in it.
     
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  8. #8 RonL - Right.
     
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  9. They still sell the molten salt Zebra battery in Norway where the resistance to cold is an issue. Ener Del is a major investor, and they use Ener Del lithium batteries in the US where winters are not as challenging in many states.
    We ordered our Think today, no incentives here in North Carolina beyond the Federal incentive. Assembled in the US, the battery is US made, long life no rust plastic body panels, and available NOW. No messing with the price, what you see on the web site for your state is what you pay, plus local tax.
    Why not pick on Nissan and GM for dealer markups? Why pick on Think?
     
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  10. Just like you, I bought one because it is available now. No pre-order or waiting list BS.
     
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  11. #10 Jim McL - I paid MSRP for my Volt. I don't believe that "dealer markups" have been as much of a problem as many anticipated. #1756 in SoCal
     
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  12. Appreciate your comments about pricing. We tried to be as transparent as possible. If you live in the right place (e.g. Indiana) you could have purchased the car and after the Federal rebate, paid less than $20,000, including all taxes, fees, etc.
    We will make changes to the website to ensure that we are very clear about pricing. Appreciate your comments.
    D. A. Wassmann
    Think N. America
     
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  13. I bought this car a month ago because it is available RIGHT NOW. I got tired of waiting for Nissan to get something in the showroom. So what if it has some limitations. It only costs a few dollars a day to operate. If Think goes out of business then I'll have a collector item.
     
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