Clean Diesels Cost More, But Will Americans Pay For Them?

 

Audi A3 TDI clean diesel - European model

Audi A3 TDI clean diesel - European model

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It's well known in the car industry that a diesel engine costs 10 to 20 percent more to build than a gasoline motor of equivalent output. That's because diesels have to be sturdier, and these days all US-bound diesels are fitted with turbochargers to boost their power.

Now a European executive has come right out and said it: Americans are going to have to pay more for diesels. And that's where we pause, because we're not convinced US buyers will pay the premium--especially for brands just launching diesel for the first time.

Europe: Much cheaper diesel

In Europe, where diesels take half the new car market, diesel fuel has been taxed far less heavily than gasoline for three decades now. At first, a few countries raised gas taxes to cut consumption after two oil crises, in 1973 and 1979, but kept diesel taxes lower to mollify truckers.

Now it's become regional economic policy to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from all vehicles. That means that in Europe, a higher purchase price is offset by lower fuel consumption and cheaper fuel.

But in the States, diesel is roughly the same as gasoline, and it soared to prices as much as $1 per gallon higher than gasoline during the last price spike.

diesel and AdBlue fillers in Audi Q7 TDI

diesel and AdBlue fillers in Audi Q7 TDI

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Audi A3 TDI clean diesel - European model

Audi A3 TDI clean diesel - European model

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Euro-spec Volkswagen Golf TDI - 5/09

Euro-spec Volkswagen Golf TDI - 5/09

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VWvortex reader Bajan2.0T snapped this shot of the badges on the 2010 Golf TDI that was displayed at the Toronto Auto Show.

VWvortex reader Bajan2.0T snapped this shot of the badges on the 2010 Golf TDI that was displayed at the Toronto Auto Show.

Euro-spec Volkswagen Golf TDI - 5/09

Euro-spec Volkswagen Golf TDI - 5/09

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Payback: Even more variables

This means that, unlike hybrids, which simply use less gasoline per mile than non-hybrids, the math to calculate diesel payback gets more complicated. Hybrids too are more expensive, but the only variable for calculating payback is the future price of gasoline.

Modern clean turbodiesels get unquestionably higher mileage. The 36 to 39 real-world miles per gallon achieved by two different journalists in 2009 Volkswagen Jetta TDI models is far higher than the gasoline Jetta. And diesel owners have long complained that today's clean diesels, including the Jetta, return much higher-than-EPA mileage figures in real-world use.

With that acknowledged, US buyers will have to work out whether a diesel's higher cost is offset by its better mileage--and to do so, they will have to make some big assumptions not only about future fuel costs, but also about the relationship of diesel to gas prices in the future.

Audi A3 TDI vs VW Golf TDI

We liked the European model of the Audi A3 TDI that we drove last spring, but its base price of $30,775 gives us pause. That's less than 10 percent more than the 2010 Audi A3 with the 1.8-liter gasoline engine, at $28,750. So we wonder if Audi is subsidizing its diesel to get a foothold in the market, just as Toyota is said to have done with the first several years of its Prius hybrid.

Note that the 2010 Volkswagen Golf TDI--which we've often said we think will be the big winner in small diesels--is priced at $21,990. That's a substantial $3,500, or about 20 percent, higher than the base 2010 Golf with a gasoline engine at $17,490. We suspect that's a more realistic premium.

A quarter of sales

Audi expects diesels to make up 20 to 25 percent of its US sales in time.  So far, says Audi of America president Johan de Nysschen, the TDI model of the Q7 large sport utility represents 35 percent of the total, and the clean-diesel A3 an even higher share.

But neither of those translates into particularly high numbers. Through August, Audi has sold just 4,709 Q7s this year, and far fewer A3s: only 2,295. Both TDI models are for the 2010 model year, meaning we're likely only talking 2,000 diesel Audis in the US all year.

When Audi sells a quarter of its high-volume A4 sports sedan with diesels--meaning more than 10,000 a year--then we'll be getting somewhere.

But the warning, by no less a personage than Audi CEO Rupert Stadler, that Americans will have to pay higher premiums for our clean diesels makes us wonder whether large numbers of buyers will be willing to fork over that premium for a very unclear payback.

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Comments (9)
  1. I will wait until the US starts importing even smaller and more efficient diesels like the Toyota Aygo. That will probably never happen, so I suppose I will keep driving my 98 Civic Hatchback till the wheels fall off, then I have to buy what ever junk Honda or Toyota or Ford is giving us at that time.
     
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  2. @Greg: The smallest diesel now on the US market is the 2010 Volkswagen Golf TDI, and I'm not hearing any rumors of anything smaller. Possibly VW might do a Polo diesel once they start selling that in 2011, but no word to that effect yet. Nothing from any of the Asian makes.
     
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  3. The 2010 golf tdi looks better than anything else, but I really want something smaller and more efficient. A Polo would be about the right size. I am a bit concerned over VW's reliability record. Maybe a MiniD? Honda could build something nice like the old crx but make it a turbo diesel. What a blast that would be. 6 speed manual. Better aerodynamics. LRR tires. etc, etc. I guess the problem is too few americans demand efficient vehicles. Maybe things will change. Just not impressed with hybrids. Too complicated! Diesel seems like the way to go for now.
     
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  4. Hybrids too complicated?
    I beg to differ. The Prius is mechanically a FAR simpler car than a diesel like the Jetta TDI.
    The Power Split Device transmission in the Prius has just ONE planetary gearset with 22 moving parts, no clutch, no torque converter, no CVT belts, no gear-shifting wear and tear. The Jetta TDI tranny with the DSG gearbox has over 100+ moving parts with the automatic clutch.
    The Jetta TDI's engine uses a turbocharger, which increases parts count and complexity. Prius engine is an atkinson-cycle engine that has no timing belt, no alternator, no starter motor or solenoid-- Less things to wear out and need replacement.
    Mechanically, the Prius is the simpler car. All the complexity is in the software that runs the hybrid computer which balances the power output between the engine and electrical motor, and that software has worked fine for the past 12 years the Prius has been on the market. Unlike Microsoft Windows, you never see the Prius HSD software give you a blue-screen-of-death. :-D
    That is why the Prius is MORE reliable than a diesel car and costs LESS to maintain.
     
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  5. Good article. Unfortunately I think there is gonna be a decrease in smaller diesel cars, as hybrids are taking over. Hybrids are more popular in the states, so you could find smaller diesel cars outside of the US more easily in the mean time!
     
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  6. First of all, the article argues that people buy cars based on "return on investment" when comparing the fuel savings of gasoline vs diesel--then it compares the Audi A3 vs the Golf. You get what you pay for--this is like comparing a honda civic vs a Acura TL. I owned a Golf TDI, and I would rather own a Audi A3, because there is a difference!! As for "return on investment", if you are concerned about a automobile purchase as an "investment"--then buy a used one, because as soon as you drive off the lot, the car will depreciate faster than you will ever get in fuel savings. Diesels are far more reliable than gasoline engines and they last much longer because the engine blocks have to be practically indestructible (it's not uncommon for a tdi owner to have over 300000 miles). Diesel cars also don't have to be smogged, and currently, in California, you get a $1300 tax credit for purchasing a new diesel.
     
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  7. I am waiting for the 2010 VW Golf TDI to get here in the USA so that I can buy it. When it is going to get here? =)
     
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  8. suppose to be sometime at the end of this year. http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/09q3/2009_2010_volkswagen_golf_vi_2.0_tdi_diesel-first_drive_review
     
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  9. Google, torrent the movie"Who Killed The Electric Car" Study this movie well! Read between the lines! Note that the unsaid speas louder than the openly stated facts! After careful study of this masterpiece documentary, weep for a while, accept your new vision of your nation and who really runs it, then go out and buy the biggest V-8 gasoline guzzler you can get, resting assured fuel will be avaoiable for it long after any diesel fad has been suppressed, and battery car bull Shiite is vanquished and for as long as Exxon?Mobile reign unfettered by a totally bought out government - Obama the turncoat war-monger OPEC lover government!I had a 1985 Jetta diesel - it went well over 300,000 miles! My overall Excel spread sheeted mileage was 52 mpg (Canadian Gallons)Repairs? drums discs and shoes! not even a clutch! sonovabitchen good car!Called her Beulah! Couldn't kill her!Straight diesel, slow as Hell, steady like the rock of Gibraltar! Sorry I let her go! floor rusted entirely out, engine still running strong!
     
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